The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

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That's the over-valuation of WT races for you. If you finish high in 5/6 WT races you are top 10 in the ranking.

Imagine with his program this year, similar results will have him end up top 6/7.
I was chuckling at VdP being top 10, then I saw on PCS he's not top 10 yet?

also I saw GvA at like 6th and literally couldn't remember a single race he won in 2019. Yeah sure I forgot about Montreal but what the ***.
 
Those rankings are utter trash, and the PCS rankings are sometimes even worse, lol. The only reason why you should watch them is to get a good laugh.
Wout van Aert is currently the 66th best ITT'er in the world, according to PCS rankings. Evenepoel is 12th. Ganna is 2nd.
It's about quantity, not quality.
 
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I don't think "exclusive" is the right word. Because of the (criminal) financial situation that sees women riders so underpaid and because of the relative paucity of top-tier races, women are forced to be generalists as opposed to specialists. Even in just one discipline, the road, where, yes, there are riders described as sprinters, climbers, and GC talents, the specialization isn't as ingrained in the sport. Or more to the point, in general, the women have to work harder for their success than the men, because they don't have the option to hyper-specialize, either in discipline or in specializations within a discipline. Other factors include the facts that so many of the women are forced to be part-timers in both racing and training because they can't make a living on their bikes (which is one reason the women's peloton is so much better educated than the men's--there are doctors, lawyers, and college professors among the women, something you rarely see among the men).

Anyway, it's apples and oranges. Until more parity and fairness is introduced into the sport--even if it's enforced top-down by the UCI, which may not be the best way to do it--the gender divide practically makes for different sports altogether.
I don’t necessarily agree that women have to work harder in this context. It is exactly because of the hyper-specialization in men’s cycling that it is harder to achieve Mathieu’s feat.

In women’s cycling if you are a talented rider you can more easily figure prominently in different cycling disciplines. Much like Prevot or Vos. It’s also apparent in RR exclusively when you look at Van der Breggen, Van Vleuten, and Vos for example. They are favorites for the classics, tt’s and the GT’s. In men’s cycling you barely see that due to the hyper-specialization.
 
Not sure it's specialisation or if it's different distributions in physical attributes which just totally changes the landscape. Minimum bike weight favors heavier riders uphill and if the ideal climber weight is say 60kg or so then that would probably fall right in the middle of the women's pack while being on the relative bottom end of the men's peloton. Same for sprinter and rouleur physiques, where you get a very clear trade off between population size and how well suited the physique is for that specialisation. Basically very few women are gonna have the physical attributes of a rouleur.

But I think it's kinda BS to equate VdP to Ferrand Prevot here and emphasize how much harder it is to combine the disciplins when Ferrand Prevot literally won the rainbow jersey in all disciplins in a span of 12 months.
 
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Not sure it's specialisation or if it's different distributions in physical attributes which just totally changes the landscape. Minimum bike weight favors heavier riders uphill and if the ideal climber weight is say 60kg or so then that would probably fall right in the middle of the women's pack while being on the relative bottom end of the men's peloton. Same for sprinter and rouleur physiques, where you get a very clear trade off between population size and how well suited the physique is for that specialisation. Basically very few women are gonna have the physical attributes of a rouleur.

But I think it's kinda BS to equate VdP to Ferrand Prevot here and emphasize how much harder it is to combine the disciplins when Ferrand Prevot literally won the rainbow jersey in all disciplins in a span of 12 months.
Maybe, or maybe it’s exactly because of the fact that such a feat is even possible in women’s cycling that one can gauge the degree of difficulty in achieving it vis-a-vis men’s cycling.

I think Vos would have been able to achieve that feat as well had she taken mountain-biking seriously.
 
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It's not totally out of the question MvdP could ever do that. CX worlds in february, MTB worlds in june/july, Road worlds in september. But road is the hardest because he would need the right course and the competition is strongest there. In CX/MTB the strongest guy usually wins.. in road not, plus it's simply a lot closer.
 
MvdP is growing so much harder than his team. I fear a Sunweb/Dumoulin scenario coming up. Sunweb couldn't match Dumoulin's speed of development (in the beginning, yes) and the initial succeses became frustrations. Wonder how long this can hold, but I wouldn't give it another 2 years. By then MvdP wants to stop playing and will be in need of some proper support.
 
MvdP is growing so much harder than his team. I fear a Sunweb/Dumoulin scenario coming up. Sunweb couldn't match Dumoulin's speed of development (in the beginning, yes) and the initial succeses became frustrations. Wonder how long this can hold, but I wouldn't give it another 2 years. By then MvdP wants to stop playing and will be in need of some proper support.
The plan is to turn this team into a WT team. It's in the article i posted two weeks or so ago. I think they are aware they need to push it.
 
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MvdP is growing so much harder than his team. I fear a Sunweb/Dumoulin scenario coming up. Sunweb couldn't match Dumoulin's speed of development (in the beginning, yes) and the initial succeses became frustrations. Wonder how long this can hold, but I wouldn't give it another 2 years. By then MvdP wants to stop playing and will be in need of some proper support.
This year's team is already a marked improvement on last year's, Canyon's contribution is considerably higher, I'd say they're well on track. VdP's contract is to end-2023 and is solid enough that Lefevre didn't pursue trying to get him out of it.

One complication is I believe all of the 2020 WorldTour teams have a three-year licence with the exception of a relegation spot? So for Alpecin-Fenix to secure a WT gig they'd need a team to fold or be ranked no. 1 to gain promotion to WT.
 

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