Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

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Depends on what discipline really. In MTB Pidcock is far ahead. In road we don't know, VDP simply didn't ride high level road races at age 21. So there is no way of knowing what he might have done.
In cx Pidcock is way behind what VDP had done at age 21.
That sentence was mainly about MTB, as I was reffering to his performance in NM on that particular day. I completely agree with you as for the other disciplines. Also I generally find making such comparisons, that x rider is better than y rider was at that age, rather pointless as there are too many variables coming into it.

Apart from that, you need to remember than in MTB you also have different kinds of routes and as far as I can see Pidcock being far ahead on the courses with long climbs, I don't think he's that much superior to Mathieu on the more interval ones.
 
It's also simple physics with them. Pidcock is 50kg compared to Mathieu 75kg. Pidcock has a huge huge advantage on longer climbs. And can even best him on shorter climbs if they are steep enough I'd say.

Mathieu on the other hand has the advantage in pure raw power, especially peak watt efforts (interval) on flatter or light hilly terrain. Which is also logical given his physique. He is also far more muscular than Pidcock (look at his arms for instance). They will end up winning very different kind of road races. And they will clash on terrain like AGR/FW which is a mix of both their abilities.
 
It's also simple physics with them. Pidcock is 50kg compared to Mathieu 75kg. Pidcock has a huge huge advantage on longer climbs. And can even best him on shorter climbs if they are steep enough I'd say.

Mathieu on the other hand has the advantage in pure raw power, especially peak watt efforts (interval) on flatter or light hilly terrain. Which is also logical given his physique. He is also far more muscular than Pidcock (look at his arms for instance). They will end up winning very different kind of road races. And they will clash on terrain like AGR/FW which is a mix of both their abilities.
Ok, but Pidcock isn't 50kg. Not even if PCS were to claim so again (just checked, they're not). Currently at 58kg. Still a huge advantage but less dramatic.
 
It's also simple physics with them. Pidcock is 50kg compared to Mathieu 75kg. Pidcock has a huge huge advantage on longer climbs. And can even best him on shorter climbs if they are steep enough I'd say.

Mathieu on the other hand has the advantage in pure raw power, especially peak watt efforts (interval) on flatter or light hilly terrain. Which is also logical given his physique. He is also far more muscular than Pidcock (look at his arms for instance). They will end up winning very different kind of road races. And they will clash on terrain like AGR/FW which is a mix of both their abilities.
Good summary. I think VdP in the long run (if he isn't hampered by injuries or sickness) will be the best overall classics rider and win a bunch big one-day races, while Pidcock either will be more of an allrounder, or aim for the GC while also doing hilly classics like Roglics does. Given his light frame and his results in last year's Baby Giro, I think the latter is most probable.
 
I don't know what his chances are in the Olympics, but he'll face some strong Austrian and French mountainbikers there.
Hmm.. in the last 2 World Cups the best Austrian rider was 41 year-old Karl Markt with 30th place. :D

Olympics will be more like a bunch of estabilished mountainbikers who will have to face two CX/road young talented guns.
Imagine what those guys, who are full-time mtb riders, perfecting every aspect of this discipilne for years, with world champs and world cups in their palmares, must feel when suddenly they're only able to compete for the 3rd place. Just because of the two youngsters, who sit on their mtb bikes few weeks in a year between winning road classics and cx worlds titles.
 

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