Teams & Riders The "MVP" Mathieu Van der Poel Road Discussion Thread

[Armchair cyclist]

No he didn't. He said in an interview on sunday it was true he went outside his room and after them. However he did clarify he never touched them. They are however constistently rehashing the interview on sunday, the first part, as the "pleaded guilty" part of the press messages. This however is not the correct story.

Do you have a source that he pleaded 'not guilty' in court?
Several sources (many probably based on Reuters, as cited above, but also news.com.au for example) refer specifically to pleading guilty as part of the account of the court proceedings, and his lawyer is quoted as saying, "it was agreed he should plead guilty".

 

[noob]

Sydney Morning Herald
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/dutch-cyclist-found-guilty-of-assault-20220926-p5bl5o.html

 

[DNP-Old]

Sydney Morning Herald
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/dutch-cyclist-found-guilty-of-assault-20220926-p5bl5o.html

Ah, yes, Mathias van der Poel.

Edit: And a Han Kock cameo. I love this video.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

so as credible as 0. Still only rehashes and not actual confirmation of the court hearing.

Also see 0 Dutch sources saying he pleaded guilty so I have high suspicion of any message until I hear the literal confirmation of that from either his lawyer or Van der Poel/Roodhooft themselves

 

[Bonimenier]

Turns out everyone was wrong about which Poel is the 1 day race master and which one has the football manners.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Okay, I just find the term "assault" for what I imagined happened too much. Maybe it's my bad English, maybe it's my different moral stance. An assault to me is not grabbing someone's arm and a slight push after being harrassed by 13/14 year olds, which, by the way, are not children to me, but teenagers. Minors, yes, but not children. (And van der Poel is a grown-up, but not a body-builder by the way.)

In English law, the fact of a bruise is sufficient to make it not 'merely' assault, but a more serious charge of assault causing actual bodily harm. So while in colloqual language it could indeed look like an exaggeration to call this assault, technically (in England) it was an understatement.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Sporza says he will appeal. How can he appeal if he pled guilty, lol.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Sporza says he will appeal. How can he appeal if he pled guilty, lol.

exactly my point

Also hate the fact that a lot of people see VDP as the bad man in this. Yes he should not have gone after them. But for crying out loud the fact 14 year olds, not little kids, are out on the hotel room knocking on door with the parents being nowhere? That's a bad look on parenting and those kids... wtf. I'd be fuming as well

 

[LookProGoSlow]

Turns out everyone was wrong about which Poel is the 1 day race master and which one has the football manners.

No likes yet?

 

[glassmoon]

Sporza says he will appeal. How can he appeal if he pled guilty, lol.

either he is dumb and his lawyers are dumb or everything is different than armchair cyclists/lawyers/policemen/judges here think

 

[noob]

I just realized that what we are discussing here is if he's actually guilty of something he's already convicted for. That's absurd.

He's alreday convicted. He's already fined.

The definition of guilty by law is determined by the court. He's by definition guilty.

 

[hrotha]

exactly my point

Also hate the fact that a lot of people see VDP as the bad man in this. Yes he should not have gone after them. But for crying out loud the fact 14 year olds, not little kids, are out on the hotel room knocking on door with the parents being nowhere? That's a bad look on parenting and those kids... wtf. I'd be fuming as well

He's literally the only man (as in adult) in this situation, how else are we supposed to see him.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

Sporza says he will appeal. How can he appeal if he pled guilty, lol.

Seems odd to me too, but I have already proved above that appealing conviction after pleading guilty is possible in UK, so not unthinkable that it is in Australia.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ah, so now you're fine with people commiting battery against children and not being taken in for questioning?

Sorry i can't take anything you say in the matter seriously anymore. I have repeatedly said that it should be up to the policemen at the scene to use common sense. And if this were a case of him tapping their shoulder after being harassed for an hour and a half, then i think it should be fair that the authorities present, would indeed try to moderate between both parties. You can try and make this look like he abducted and raped two children for all i care, all i said is that i think the cops should be able to use their brains, even though going strictly by law, this were battery or assault. Those terms might not at all cover what happened, as simply touching someone with your finger could be labelled as assault as well.

I have also said that it is possible that the police actually did assess the situation and that it might in fact be worse than Van der Poel has it seem. In which case, as per my opening post regarding the matter, he made his own bed.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

exactly my point

Also hate the fact that a lot of people see VDP as the bad man in this.

Judgement is of the legality of the act, not the character of the person. I have seen no-one comment on whether this is typical of him.

 

[King Boonen]

Sporza says he will appeal. How can he appeal if he pled guilty, lol.

Several people have pointed out it possible to appeal a verdict you pled guilty too in other jurisdictions.

 

[King Boonen]

Sorry i can't take anything you say in the matter seriously anymore. I have repeatedly said that it should be up to the policemen at the scene to use common sense. And if this were a case of him tapping their shoulder after being harassed for an hour and a half, then i think it should be fair that the authorities present, would indeed try to moderate between both parties. You can try and make this look like he abducted and raped two children for all i care, all i said is that i think the cops should be able to use their brains, even though going strictly by law, this were battery or assault. Those terms might not at all cover what happened, as simply touching someone with your finger could be labelled as assault as well.

I have also said that it is possible that the police actually did assess the situation and that it might in fact be worse than Van der Poel has it seem. In which case, as per my opening post regarding the matter, he made his own bed.

This just reads like apologism and whataboutery. There isn’t a question here, he was questioned about, and pled guilty to it seems, assault. The police did exactly what they should have done.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

This just reads like apologism and whataboutery. There isn’t a question here, he was questioned about, and pled guilty to it seems, assault. The police did exactly what they should have done.

His Australian laywer just made a statement on Belgian TV. Says he was convicted but will appeal in the morning. No word of pleading guilty.

 

[King Boonen]

And I’m guessing no word of not pleading guilty? Because pleading guilty results in..?

 

[OlavEH]

The police did exactly what they should have done.

How do you know that? There was no other solution than taking him into the police office then and there and keeping him for several hours into the night? It was completely impossible and out of the question to take a short statement and then make him come in the day after?

 

[noob]

And I’m guessing no word of not pleading guilty? Because pleading guilty results in..?

If anything pleading guilty usually results in a milder sentence.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

so as credible as 0. Still only rehashes and not actual confirmation of the court hearing.

Also see 0 Dutch sources saying he pleaded guilty so I have high suspicion of any message until I hear the literal confirmation of that from either his lawyer or Van der Poel/Roodhooft themselves

Van der Poel beboet voor duwen meisjes in Sydney, hoger beroep volgt

Wielrenner Mathieu van der Poel is maandag in Australië veroordeeld voor het aanvallen van twee meisjes in een hotel in Sydney. De rechter in Sutherland, een buitenwijk van de stad, legde hem een geldboete op van 1.500 Australische dollar (ongeveer 1000 euro). De advocaat van de renner heeft...

www.volkskrant.nl

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Van der Poel beboet voor duwen meisjes in Sydney, hoger beroep volgt

Wielrenner Mathieu van der Poel is maandag in Australië veroordeeld voor het aanvallen van twee meisjes in een hotel in Sydney. De rechter in Sutherland, een buitenwijk van de stad, legde hem een geldboete op van 1.500 Australische dollar (ongeveer 1000 euro). De advocaat van de renner heeft...

www.volkskrant.nl

nowhere it says he pleaded guilty and admitted to pushing the girls.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

And I’m guessing no word of not pleading guilty? Because pleading guilty results in..?

...a very short court appearance and the chance to catch your plane.

 

[King Boonen]

...a very short court appearance and the chance to catch your plane.

Along with a conviction.