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the sceptic

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Since doping is no longer accepted in the peloton, why is everyone so quiet whenever there is a positive test? '

Shouldnt these clean riders be ****ed that someone is still ruining their credibility? Has any pro rider commented at all about these astana positives?
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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ralphbert said:
They are furious with all these false positives, everyone knows doping stopped in 2006
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JV said it stopped in 2008 as the cool kids no longer doped.;)

Astana didn't get the memo, bad postal system in Kazakstan.:D
 
Jspear

Jspear

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Libertine Seguros said:
Everyone who "tries" doping? So you can attempt, but fail? Like Basso?

Do, or do not. There is no try.
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"Tries doping" sounds better than "does dope." It isolates it to that one incident....ya got to make sure you couch these sort of things in the correct language.
 
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the sceptic said:
Since doping is no longer accepted in the peloton, why is everyone so quiet whenever there is a positive test? '

Shouldnt these clean riders be ****ed that someone is still ruining their credibility? Has any pro rider commented at all about these astana positives?
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talansky for instance, defends lance, then gets furious at di luca.
but now when there are genuine positives he's all crickets.
just to recall:
I feel genuine hatred towards Di Luca. He’s a worthless lying scumbag making false statements that hurt the sport I love.

Thankfully his statements are delusional. I wouldn’t be in this sport if it was not possible to succeed at the highest level and do it clean.
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http://stevetilford.com/2014/01/22/di-luca-or-talansky-who-to-believe/

where's your hatred now, talansky?
 
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grizzlee

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Matt Brammeier @Mattbrammeier85 · 15h 15 hours ago Must be something in the water over in Kazakstan.....
 
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grizzlee

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He is about the only one who comments pretty much on every doping case that is announced. Probably why he is gone from being a really good domestique for HTC and OMEGA PHARMA QUICKSTEP to rideing with SYNERGY BAKU pro conti team.


Thoughts anyone?
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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Yes the silence from the peloton and all these clean riders is truly deafening.

JV has obviously been too busy schmoosing Oleg too bother doing his dedicated anti doping stuff, never mind Kittel who gets outraged about a nobody on a nothing team at the Tour of No Importance, but when a big team dopes, oooh all quiet on the Eastern Front!
 
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Dazed and Confused

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grizzlee said:
He is about the only one who comments pretty much on every doping case that is announced. Probably why he is gone from being a really good domestique for HTC and OMEGA PHARMA QUICKSTEP to rideing with SYNERGY BAKU pro conti team.


Thoughts anyone?
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I do think his public "hammering" of the dopers limits the teams where he could get a job. but other factors could also play a role without really knowing him.

Anyway Baku isn't the worst place to be imo.
 
the sceptic

the sceptic

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Benotti69 said:
Yes the silence from the peloton and all these clean riders is truly deafening.

JV has obviously been too busy schmoosing Oleg too bother doing his dedicated anti doping stuff, never mind Kittel who gets outraged about a nobody on a nothing team at the Tour of No Importance, but when a big team dopes, oooh all quiet on the Eastern Front!
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More evidence that nothing has changed and omerta still lives.

But at least it is becoming increasingly hard to pretend cycling is clean.
 
gooner

gooner

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Benotti69 said:
Yes the silence from the peloton and all these clean rider. Truly deafening.

JV has obviously been too busy schmoosing Oleg too bother doing his dedicated anti doping stuff, never mind Kittel who gets outraged about a nobody on a nothing team at the Tour of No Importance, but when a big team dopes, oooh all quiet on the Eastern Front!
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Further proof to my point that trophy names only matter to some around here.

Interestingly on Kittel, he has been the only rider I know of who has spoken about Astana's licence in the past. You know this because I have pointed out to yourself.
 
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grizzlee said:
Matt Brammeier @Mattbrammeier85 · 15h 15 hours ago Must be something in the water over in Kazakstan.....
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grizzlee said:
He is about the only one who comments pretty much on every doping case that is announced. Probably why he is gone from being a really good domestique for HTC and OMEGA PHARMA QUICKSTEP to rideing with SYNERGY BAKU pro conti team.


Thoughts anyone?
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Yeah, Brammeier has done it fairly consistently, including Frank Schleck. Incidently he was alo accused of the easy target towards Pourseyedi.
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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gooner said:
Further proof to my point that trophy names only matter to some around here.

Interestingly on Kittel, he has been the only rider I know of who has spoken about Astana's licence in the past. You know this because I have pointed out to yourself.
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Got any links to riders criticising Astana?

Apart from Brammier......
 
Libertine Seguros

Libertine Seguros

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grizzlee said:
He is about the only one who comments pretty much on every doping case that is announced. Probably why he is gone from being a really good domestique for HTC and OMEGA PHARMA QUICKSTEP to rideing with SYNERGY BAKU pro conti team.


Thoughts anyone?
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He was a decent domestique but didn't show enough to make the cut when they had to accommodate the likes of Urán and Cavendish, c'est la vie. Baku are a team on the up and races like Langkawi, Azerbaijan and Qinghai Lake at least give him a shop window to progress. There are worse places to be.

He's not the only one that speaks out either. Danny Pate's zero tolerance position speaking out against dopers whilst sitting on Team Sky has been an interesting note in the endless debate about their transforming riders, and there's also Jimmy Engoulvent, who's seldom shy about his invective.

Not that either of them can really be considered the "new" generation, I guess.
 
ciranda

ciranda

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grizzlee said:
He is about the only one who comments pretty much on every doping case that is announced. Probably why he is gone from being a really good domestique for HTC and OMEGA PHARMA QUICKSTEP to rideing with SYNERGY BAKU pro conti team.


Thoughts anyone?
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Was he as outspoken when he were at those teams?
 
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