The official CBS 60 minutes thread

[mewmewmew13]

Is his coaching biz email listed on his site? I'm sure he pays attention to that.

oops just saw swordsman's link

 

[Met de Versnelling]

haha good call! It looks like the tide is turning in our favor now on TH's page.

I think there's a fair few of us from this thread that's decided to go set-up a Tyler Defense League!

 

[exeuropro]

Most powerfull and damaging report ever about doping forget about LA. This is what it was like and still is.All these guys LA,GH,TH made a lot of money by fraud.

 

[VeloGirl]

That disgusts me. I hope TH doesn't actually read that page

I had to respond to Jim Gong comment - his were the most jackassery

 

[ChrisE]

You guys need to get out and look around the web. Here are some good comments after the ESPN article.

Who in their right mind would still believe CBS? No one has been tested more than Lance. As far as the French, the whole world knows how they are. It even came out during last World Cup. They hate America, and been trying to smear Lance for years because he is an American.

Sure, maybe Lance is guilty. But, as my father always said - there is nothing worse than a friggin rat. That is all Hamilton and Hincapie are - plain and simple - rats. At least, that's how I'll remember them.

All of you Armstrong girlymen are pathetic. Go take a bike ride around the block and think about your position. The man is a cheat, you know he's a cheat, and he will be proven a cheat. I hope you all can take the trauma. LOL!

Lance has a Whizzinator

figjam37, that is the dumbest thing I think anyone has ever written on this page. Barry Bonds went from a scrawny man to a black Mark McGwire in the matter of an off season. Lance isn't bulky, he just bested people at their own game and did it cleanly and has the tests to prove it

Let me just say that I just climbed out of a cave after being in there for 50 years. I believe Lance Armstrong.

The great Lance Armstrong is DEAD. Asterisks for all his records.
Bow down to the greatness that is LAURENT FIGNON !!!!!

Cycling is almost as dirty as the Ohio State athletic department

Drinking water in Texas causes cancer . . . . not telling the truth, being the 2nd greatest to Laurent Fignon, and cheating on your wife with all the Yellow Jersey Dress Hotties.

 

[Stingray34]

But this time with a Ferrari colouring in wall chart! Collect all 7

Snap! Full marks!

 

[Met de Versnelling]

Most powerfull and damaging report ever about doping forget about LA. This is what it was like and still is.All these guys LA,GH,TH made a lot of money by fraud.

Almost. I still think Festina was a seminal moment in the sport, and the repercussions of that are still being felt. No doping scandal could be bigger than that.

This is big though. But i don't think there's enough here to be a sport changing moment like Festina did, unless this kicks off a corruption "inquiry" (for lack of a better word) inside the UCI.

 

[Stingray34]

You guys need to get out and look around the web. Here are some good comments after the ESPN article.

yeah, we all know that, deep down, some people are just jerks. Some news isn't meant to be understood.

 

[theswordsman]

Still got an unanswered question, and I'm too busy watching Jesse Stone on the CBS feed to look it up

There was a statement from the UCI saying that none of the positive tests from the 2001 Tour de Suisse were Lance Armstrong. Did multiple guys get busted at the race, or did the UCI just admit a coverup in writing?

"Due to the controversy following the statements made by Floyd Landis, the International Cycling Union wishes to stress that none of the tests revealed the presence of EPO in the samples taken from riders at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland," the UCI said in a statement. "The UCI has all the documentation to prove this fact."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5218887

 

[armstrong]

There's some extra clips of the interview (not aired) on the CBS site. I like this one, where TH talks about the TDF.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366932n&tag=segementExtraScroller;housing

 

[barn yard]

There was a statement from the UCI saying that none of the positive tests from the 2001 Tour de Suisse were Lance Armstrong.

that's like al capone saying he has his tax affairs in order and has the papers to prove it

 

[Neworld]

Of course the Overtime interview announces how Lance has raised hundreds of millions for cancer....

Exactly, the 'Overtime' interview was so juvenile, misleading and cursory.

Any person, with a pulse who loves humanity, or maybe just their family, must see that lying about how great you are, to promote yourself as an inspirational beacon for cancer patients, to make millions of dollars for ones self in the process is without morality. We're talking about misrepresenting yourself towards dying people FFS!

Lance is a heartless criminal and 60mins is embarrassing and collusional to his malevolence.

PS: Tyler, you came clean but made as soft of a landing for Mr. "weaklegs" as possible. Shame on your lacklustre attempts to come clean. How about..." Lance doped, he doped for almost every race. He doesn't deserve to win because it doesn't matter about if other riders doped or not, he himself doped, is a liar, a cheat and a bully". That would be coming clean.

NW

 

[Met de Versnelling]

<snip>

PS: Tyler, you came clean but made as soft of a landing for Mr. "weaklegs" as possible. Shame on your lacklustre attempts to come clean. How about..." Lance doped, he doped for almost every race. He doesn't deserve to win because it doesn't matter about if other riders doped or not, he himself doped, is a liar, a cheat and a bully". That would be coming clean.

NW

Wouldn't you find it hard to finger for a "crime" a friend in that situation, i know i would.

Remember, we're talking about people that used to be seriously close friend here. I'd try to protect those i know best as much as i could in his position.

 

[Neworld]

Wouldn't you find it hard to finger for a "crime" a friend in that situation, i know i would.

Remember, we're talking about people that used to be seriously close friend here. I'd try to protect those i know best as much as i could in his position.

True, and he did for as long as he could until the Feds came calling...but all that has changed. And, his testimony to the Feds will be different than what he said on CBS. The Feds, and GJ, won't care about Tyler's comments how "well all the other little boys threw rocks at the window..."

NW

 

[theswordsman]

OK, here's my contribution to the doping fight and the UCI issue.

Tyler Hamilton told 60 Minutes that Lance told him he tested positive for EPO at the 2001 Tour de Suisse.

Lance's lawyer gave 60 Minutes a letter from the UCI stating, and they showed it in text:

"None of the samples reported positive...belong to Mr. Lance Armstrong".

Obviously that statement means that there were positive tests. You could look to see if any positive tests were reported, but I doubt it, because last year the UCI offered up this gem to the world:

"Due to the controversy following the statements made by Floyd Landis, the International Cycling Union wishes to stress that none of the tests revealed the presence of EPO in the samples taken from riders at the 2001 Tour of Switzerland," the UCI said in a statement. "The UCI has all the documentation to prove this fact."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cyclin...ory?id=5218887

So, the possible out is that there were multiple positive tests for something other than EPO, but the UCI still contradicts themselves in writing. Maybe people with a big screen TV got a better look at the letter?

 

[The Hitch]

Almost. I still think Festina was a seminal moment in the sport, and the repercussions of that are still being felt. No doping scandal could be bigger than that.

This is big though. But i don't think there's enough here to be a sport changing moment like Festina did, unless this kicks off a corruption "inquiry" (for lack of a better word) inside the UCI.

Ya. Without Festina cycling would be laughing at how dirty athletics is while 15 time gt winner Marco Pantani wins stage 15 of the giro.

 

[nvpacchi]

Exactly, the 'Overtime' interview was so juvenile, misleading and cursory.

Any person, with a pulse who loves humanity, or maybe just their family, must see that lying about how great you are, to promote yourself as an inspirational beacon for cancer patients, to make millions of dollars for ones self in the process is without morality. We're talking about misrepresenting yourself towards dying people FFS!

Lance is a heartless criminal and 60mins is embarrassing and collusional to his malevolence.

PS: Tyler, you came clean but made as soft of a landing for Mr. "weaklegs" as possible. Shame on your lacklustre attempts to come clean. How about..." Lance doped, he doped for almost every race. He doesn't deserve to win because it doesn't matter about if other riders doped or not, he himself doped, is a liar, a cheat and a bully". That would be coming clean.

NW

I had to comment on the Overtime's website. Pelley was completely wrong in saying that Livestrong raises money for cancer research and medicine. Undermines the accomplishments of organizations such as the American Cancer Society.

And he made it seem like he was remorseful for having to sling mud on an "American hero", but had to for the sake of good journalism.

 

[ricara]

That disgusts me. I hope TH doesn't actually read that page

You can go on there and comment on the idiots who made the nasty posts. They all came at the very beginning -- paid by http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/crises/, no doubt! Now all the posts are sympathetic. Make a nice post and leave comments on the stupid posts letting the world know that they are just paid tools of Lance's goon squad.

 

[ricara]

Wow. What a bunch of prix. That guy Jim Gong takes the cake. Jim Gong lol.

I need to rethink my chat with TFF about hoping LA gets off to watch you guys freak out. I'm beginning to think it would be much more fun watching a bunch of Jim Gongs blow a fuse on facebook.

Gong is not blowing a fuse. He is being paid to make those posts:

http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/crises/

Notice how all those posts were made before the show even ended. Now all the posts are sympathetic to Tyler. I guess Gunderson's budget for that "campaign" ran out...

 

[ricara]

Agree. I think after all the shady bits about LA , those clips look pretty damning to me, just in his defensive/aggresive style. That and the montage of his bulging muscles and raging face really drives this home ,that we're talking one 'win-at-all-cost' dude.

What was up with the one clip where Gunderson had the black eye? Did he start beating his wife and she hit him back?

 

[ricara]

I found his own facebook page. I was going to send him a message but for some reason there's no options for that on his page .

If you are logged in, at the top of the page is a row of icons: Share, Post, Photo, Video, etc. Just below Post (a green box with quotes) is a rectangle that says "Write something". Just type in there and when you hit "Enter" it will be posted.

 

[leftover pie]

just watching it now, cheers for the links!

am struck by how much TH looks a lot like a young dustin hoffman.

mebbe that's just me.

interesting times ahead, amazed that after all this that there are still deniers. blind faith will do that to you though.

 

[ChrisE]

So, the possible out is that there were multiple positive tests for something other than EPO, but the UCI still contradicts themselves in writing. Maybe people with a big screen TV got a better look at the letter?

I recorded it. I bought a 73" tv for a reason. Here is what it says:

Dear Mr. Herman,

I write you in my capacity as legal counsel to the UCI.

Following your request you will find herewith statements by the laboratories that conducted analyses for EPO on urine samples taken from cyclists.

These statements are emails in which the respective laboratories, where applicable, list all the sample code number corresponding to the adverse analytical findings for EPO that were found by them since EPO became detectable in 2001.

The laboratories also state which entities were copied on the findings. Since 2004 all adverse analytical findiings are copied to WADA. You will find the corresponding statement by WADA attached as well.

THe UCI has identified all riders corresponding to the sampe code numbers listed in the statements by the laboratories. In the attached copies of those statements the UCI staff has on the one hand redacted part of each sample code number and on the other hand added the initials of the rider concerned, the date of the test and the race during which the sample was taken (or where appropriate "out of competition").

None of the samples reported positive by a laboratory since EPO became detectable belongs to Mr. lance Armstrong.

Yours Sincerely,

So, it seems to say they were provided a list for results over several years, and no AAF's for LA were on it.

 

[ricara]

UCI Letter

Wow, Chris E.! Nice job on the transcript of the letter.

If I'm not mistaken there is a HUGE lie hiding in there. Previously Fat Pat claimed there was NO WAY to hide an AAF because it was reported to WADA. But the letter says that practice only began in 2004, three years after the 2001 TdS. So it would be a lot easier to sweep the dirt under the carpet.

Heck, I bet they just pinned the AAF on some other rider...

 

[tubularglue]

me thinks,

goodbye http://www.usacycling.org/