The official CBS 60 minutes thread

[cineteq]

Dumb and dumber. Fabiani is truly clueless.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-02-03-06-17

If anything, he's accelerating LA's downfall.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I'd almost say checkmate. I'm not sure where Lance Armstrong can go from here?

Reading the comments on the various news sites most now just say "come on Lance, just tell the truth" - people just want him to be nomral and human.

He's in grave danger of becoming a total joke. People no longer take him seriously and laugh at each one of his denials.

I'm interested to see what his next move is...

Where does Lance go from here?

Well, he could do the tearful Richard Virenque routine. But, it may be too late for that.

 

[veganrob]

The letter reads like Lance could have written it himself. It truly is that bad.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

The letter reads like Lance could have written it himself. It truly is that bad.

I'm certain he had a major hand in writing it.

 

[Hawkwood]

Whoever is putting together CBS's web pages has a sense of humour, on the page with their response there is also:

Stories
Armstrong lawyers want "60 Minutes" apology
Ex-teammate: I saw Lance Armstrong inject EPO

Touche!

 

[frenchfry]

I haven't yet seen where Armstrong and his pack of mercenary spinners have directly refuted the allegations that he took EPO during the 1999 TDF and also in preparation for the 2000/2001 TDF. No denial either of the story that he supplied EPO.

Even those who know little or nothing about cycling and normally don't really care if Armstrong doped or not must be shaking their heads as he attacks everyone who dares to question the myth. At a certain point he will have zero credibility in the eyes of the general public.

Those aren't lawyers he has hired, they are PR clowns. Strange world we live in when you can hire such people to fabricate and spread such pathetic nonsense.

 

[Square-pedaller]

Well, he could do the tearful Richard Virenque routine. But, it may be too late for that.

Didn't Virenque have to first go through a long stage of being mocked in a satirical TV puppet show?

 

[compete_clean]

Just read the letter to CBS demanding an apology. LOL!!!

Me too and the first thing that came to mind was, how many people will demand an apology for his bullsh!t over the last 12 years? That is going one hell of an apology letter that he will have to issue.

 

[veganrob]

Wow. Could we do that here. Have PeeWee Herman be voice of Lance. Any other suggestions?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Wow. Could we do that here. Have PeeWee Herman be voice of Lance. Any other suggestions?

ROTFL!! Thank you. I needed that this morning.

 

[thehog]

Perhaps it is because Saugy became lab director in 2002 with Rivier leaving.

Saugy is an interesting person. He quickly came to the defence of Floyd back in 2006. Sounds like he's man with something to hide.

 

[python]

posting this for the 4th time - saugy, according to his own lab's cv - became the director in 2003

does 2002 vs 2003 make a difference ?

it may when all the relevant facts are diligently lined up in one neat time line.

 

[LukeSchmid]

posting this for the 4th time - saugy, according to his own lab's cv - became the director in 2003

does 2002 vs 2003 make a difference ?

it may when all the relevant facts are diligently lined up in one neat time line.

according to this article, http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=MzQxNzQ& written in 2002

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=MzQxNzQ&][/url]
Laurent RIVIER, Ph.D., chemist and toxicologist, Scientific Director of the Swiss
Institute of Doping Analysis, Martial SAUGY, Ph.D., biochimiste, Technical Director
of the Swiss Institute of Doping Analysis, and Professor Patrice MANGIN Md Ph.D.,
forensic scientist, Director of the Swiss University Institute of Forensic Medicine,
Lausanne, Switzerland.

It appears at this stage they were both director of something. Also if Rivier left in 2002 sometime Saugy might have acted in Rivier's position for a while until he was offically appointed to the position. It is not clear to me whether Armstrong and Bruyneel met with Rivier, although it seems that they met with Saugy. Also whether they only didn't meet with Rivier because he had already left the position.

 

[TheMight]

Pure Lance throwing his toys out of the sanbox.

Can't get what he wants, makes demands, accuses everyone of impropriety.

He's making enemies at every turn: CBS doesn't care how important and above the law Lance thinks he is.

You can't wage PR wars with media conglomerates; he ain't got the arsenal.

Naturally, he doesn't refute the charges of doping, just the technicality of the arcane difference between a positive and a suspicious sample.

The straws. Clutch them, Lance.

This is just going to become sad.

Between the lines it's a slightly different picture.

Lance told at least 2 riders that he has the juice to make positives go away, so basically, "charge on up boys!" "We might as well win" "I can fix it if something goes wrong"

Regardless of what the lab did or didn't do, regardless of the meetings, if he led riders to believe that then the corruption charges sort of look more true. What's funny is that he's effectively proving the non-important details on his own. He had a meeting, he clearly told some people about it, the meeting was about testing and cheating.

I'm not a lawyer but he's being accused of leading riders to doping to profit, there are at least 2 riders making that claim, I would think it would be his word against theirs but if all the details sort of shake out and it looks like the events actually happened then it suggests that he did talk to them about it. The only disputable issue would be if he "encouraged" them to cheat or not in that conversation or portrayed that they wouldn't/couldn't get caught to encourage them to cheat. From the sporting side, it's very interesting if a test was buried.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Between the lines it's a slightly different picture.

Lance told at least 2 riders that he has the juice to make positives go away, so basically, "charge on up boys!" "We might as well win" "I can fix it if something goes wrong"

Regardless of what the lab did or didn't do, regardless of the meetings, if he led riders to believe that then the corruption charges sort of look more true. What's funny is that he's effectively proving the non-important details on his own. He had a meeting, he clearly told some people about it, the meeting was about testing and cheating.

I'm not a lawyer but he's being accused of leading riders to doping to profit, there are at least 2 riders making that claim, I would think it would be his word against theirs but if all the details sort of shake out and it looks like the events actually happened then it suggests that he did talk to them about it. The only disputable issue would be if he "encouraged" them to cheat or not in that conversation or portrayed that they wouldn't/couldn't get caught to encourage them to cheat. From the sporting side, it's very interesting if a test was buried.

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

 

[sartain]

Dumb and dumber. Fabiani is truly clueless.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-02-03-06-17

It's great, you know why, the longer this gets dragged out, the more money DopeStrong has to spend on this science project for all of his fine legal and PR stooges. Maybe the fees get up to 25% of his net worth?

Where it becomes interesting is if major underwriters (N, T, Mic, etc.) decide to pull the plug on paying LA to represent them. However, I suspect N goes down in flames with him because they have, in so many ways, been one of the principal architects of the scam . . . Just Do IT . . . 6 hours a day! Too funny.

What I want to know is who dreamed up all of those commercials, N, LA, CSE/TW, or was this a joint effort?

 

[compete_clean]

However, I suspect N goes down in flames with him because they have, in so many ways, been one of the principal architects of the scam . . . Just Do IT . . . 6 hours a day! Too funny.

Nike has a long history of complicity in doping. Read up on Athletics West team of the 80s in track and field.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

It's great, you know why, the longer this gets dragged out, the more money DopeStrong has to spend on this science project for all of his fine legal and PR stooges. Maybe the fees get up to 25% of his net worth?

Where it becomes interesting is if major underwriters (N, T, Mic, etc.) decide to pull the plug on paying LA to represent them. However, I suspect N goes down in flames with him because they have, in so many ways, been one of the principal architects of the scam . . . Just Do IT . . . 6 hours a day! Too funny.

What I want to know is who dreamed up all of those commercials, N, LA, CSE/TW, or was this a joint effort?

It would not be surprising to see NIke and Oakley indicted along with Armstrong in a RICO indictment.

 

[Oldman]

Well, he could do the tearful Richard Virenque routine. But, it may be too late for that.

Oprah retired. Nowhere to cry.

 

[Merckx index]

Look at Tyler, an intelligent guy, has a degree

For a guy warning LA not to pay attention to "yellow journalism", you seem to have fallen under its spell, too.

Saugy told a Swiss newspaper that the lab found suspicious levels of EPO, a blood-boosting drug, in four urine samples from the race Armstrong won. But Saugy said he didn't know if any belonged to the seven-time Tour de France winner.

That was contrary to what he said in his statement made to officials from the FBI, the Food and Drug Administration and anti-doping authorities, the person familiar with the investigation told the AP. Though Saugy was not under oath, there are potential legal ramifications for lying to authorities working on a federal probe.

This is serious stuff. Everything 60m reported about the letter to the FBI was correct. Peters' letter demanding an apology, boiled down to its essence, was complaining that to these facts they added Tyler's claim that LA told him that he made a positive go away. The terms "positive", "secret meeting" and "made go away" were Tyler's words, not those of 60m, and they did seem to conflict with what Saugy said. In large part, because Saugy said he didn't know the identity of the samples.

Now it turns out Saugy did know, and apparently lied about that in his post-60m statements. So one key point that Tyler made, which conflicted with what Saugy said, has been shown to be correct. This alone should increase Tyler's credibility, and Floyd's too, since he made the same claim.

 

[sniper]

For a guy warning LA not to pay attention to "yellow journalism", you seem to have fallen under its spell, too.



This is serious stuff. Everything 60m reported about the letter to the FBI was correct. Peters' letter demanding an apology, boiled down to its essence, was complaining that to these facts they added Tyler's claim that LA told him that he made a positive go away. The terms "positive", "secret meeting" and "made go away" were Tyler's words, not those of 60m, and they did seem to conflict with what Saugy said. In large part, because Saugy said he didn't know the identity of the samples.

Now it turns out Saugy did know, and apparently lied about that in his post-60m statements. So one key point that Tyler made, which conflicted with what Saugy said, has been shown to be correct. This alone should increase Tyler's credibility, and Floyd's too, since he made the same claim.

whether a positive was covered up, or a suspicious sample was prevented from turning into a positive, we know one thing:
There was a cover up, and probably two.
two donations: two cover ups.

The donations make zero sense if the UCI didn't do LA a big favor in return.

We also know that Saugy didn't address the donations in any of his post-60m declarations.

Perhaps part of the money went to him.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Oprah retired. Nowhere to cry.

How about Wendy Williams?

 

[MarkvW]

Ecstasy for 60 Minutes

This is becoming ecstasy for 60 Minutes. Their story is now spawning other stories-all mentioning 60 Minutes.

Saugy apparently tells different stories at different times to different people.

This is just one more piece of evidence supporting the premise that Lance is just one more filthy rider in a sport that is filthy to its core.

 

[MarkvW]

It would not be surprising to see NIke and Oakley indicted along with Armstrong in a RICO indictment.

Only if Elvis and Howard Hughes are the masterminds behind it all.

 

[Benotti69]

This is becoming ecstasy for 60 Minutes. Their story is now spawning other stories-all mentioning 60 Minutes.

Saugy apparently tells different stories at different times to different people.

This is just one more piece of evidence supporting the premise that Lance is just one more filthy rider in a sport that is filthy to its core.

this is one more piece of evidence on a mountain of evidence that Armstrong was the dirtiest, filthiest and most corrupt rider in a dirty sport......

i wonder will Armstrong go the way of Elvis.......