The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Race Radio]

Lance and Eddy are good friends. I actually heard Eddie call Lance "the greatest".
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Lance owes Eddy big. Eddy introduced Lance to Dr. Ferrari. Without this introduction Armstrong have never won the Tour.

 

[ravens]

Can you prove this or like most of what you write did you pull it out of your A$$?

That's straight out of 'Every Second Counts', that's my understanding of the inception. Basically, "I am the most drug tested human on the planet, therefore you know I am clean."

I am not gonna lie, I was a huge Lance fan and he got me stoked about cycling and at least watching racing, although I will never race unless there is ever a 'super clydesdale biggest loser contestant wanna be Cat 7'. I listened to it on CD, if your loc library has it it won't cost you a cent. But he pushed that line pretty hard in the book.

So to answer, it was pulled out of lance's scrawny little @$$. (When you are my size, just about every cyclist is scrawny and little.)

 

[ravens]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carboncrank


Lance and his buddy Eddy

http://www.livestrong.com/lance-arm...-merckx/1830cd20-aa3d-4a58-bf13-9b5bca79f7ad/

Eddy seem like a really cool guy. I'd love to be a fly on the wall somewhere and just listen to him. He certainly seems to be full of joie de vivre.

Dude, it looks like you took my advice about the zoloft and/or prozac. Now you seem not so semi suicidal/homicidal. It was meant in a kidding way, but whatever works....

No clue why I got quoted on the above post. You can just click 'Post Reply' near the bottom of each page and then it won't quote anyone (except you.)

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As repeated many times on many threads, even other forums, there is no records kept on which athletes were tested to what degree. None the less, by deductive reasoning based on the amount of races entered, and won, where most testing occurred by percentage, during Lance's main years of racing it would be virtually impossible that he was the most tested cyclist, with Mario Cipollini, Erik Zabel, Laurent Jalabert, and Robbie McEwen likely tested many more times, and a few more racers tested more as well (Simoni, Heras, etc.). Lance simply didn't races as much, nor win as often across the calendar year as they did. And there is zero indication or proof that he was targeted for out of competition testing more than any other cyclist.

In the last 3 years, testing frequency has increased in the sport. None the less, since his 2009 comeback, it's still not likely Lance was the most tested athlete last year. Logic would indicate that cyclist was Mark Cavendish.

 

[Carboncrank]

Not to throw this into clinic territory, but perhaps the reason there is "no reasonable talk" about Lance being clean is because no reasonable person can reach that conclusion.

Not what I meant at all.

Not reasonable talk about lance but reasonable talk about he subject.

It would seem a "reasonable person" that claims he's not would have some reason to think he's not. Reason in this case being evidence that he's not.
He subjects himself to all the testing his profession requires.

He doesn't owe you anything more.

You must think Lance belongs to some secret society that has knowledge of things the rest of us aren't.

 

[Polish]

...it's still not likely Lance was the most tested athlete last year. Logic would indicate that cyclist was Mark Cavendish.

Did Cav give any hair samples to the Bordry Gang last year?

Logic would tell me no.

 

[Carboncrank]

In the last 3 years, testing frequency has increased in the sport. None the less, since his 2009 comeback, it's still not likely Lance was the most tested athlete last year. Logic would indicate that cyclist was Mark Cavendish.

I think you are right in what you have said.

I don't have any proof but it seemed to me that he was being tested more in the tour and that they tested Astana more that other teams.

I don't really have a problem with that given doubts many have about Lance and the fact that Astana was in it's first year back after being kicked out of the Tour over that scumbag Vino.

 

[Ripper]

I call BS on this, particularly LA finding a new position.... I mean, they must think we are idiots to believe he somehow lost all his data from the Disco Postal days. Someone that precise and pedantic? Give me a break. Unless his uniball has sagged and given him a pronounced asymmetric posture, it's complete Hogwash.

Certainly doesn't match with the story Ferrari was spinning last year

 

[Hugh Januss]

Not what I meant at all.

Not reasonable talk about lance but reasonable talk about he subject.

It would seem a "reasonable person" that claims he's not would have some reason to think he's not. Reason in this case being evidence that he's not.
He subjects himself to all the testing his profession requires.

He doesn't owe you anything more.

You must think Lance belongs to some secret society that has knowledge of things the rest of us aren't.

I am really trying to figure out what you meant here, but I can't do it. If by "not" you mean "not doping" then I think you are arguing with yourself. If you are trying to claim that there is no evidence that Lance dopes then I must conclude that you were either born yesterday or you have thoroughly gone out of your way to never read or never comprehend anything that has been presented as evidence of Armstrong's doping. Don't try to tell me that Contador does too, because I am almost as certain that he does as I am that Lance does, that is immaterial to this discussion.

 

[Ripper]

Yes podiumed clean. If you're still one of those that thinks all the top guys are cheats, I'd think you'd have to include Alberto in that.

Many do dope

Lance was not any cleaner. He's just a bigger prick

 

[Hugh Januss]

I think you are right in what you have said.

I don't have any proof but it seemed to me that he was being tested more in the tour and that they tested Astana more that other teams.

I don't really have a problem with that given doubts many have about Lance and the fact that Astana was in it's first year back after being kicked out of the Tour over that scumbag Vino.

Duh! If Astana was tested more often than many other teams, and I'm willing to agree that was the case, don't you think it might have as much to do with how many riders they had in high positions as it did with anything else? I still bet Columbia was tested more often.

 

[Polish]

No More Tears

Was Lance the ONLY ProTour rider to give a hair sample to the AFLD in 2009?

Such a clean, shiny, and manageable hair sample?

 

[Ripper]

Duh! If Astana was tested more often than many other teams, and I'm willing to agree that was the case, don't you think it might have as much to do with how many riders they had in high positions as it did with anything else? I still bet Columbia was tested more often.

Astana certainly delayed the testers more than any other team

 

[Race Radio]

I think you are right in what you have said.

I don't have any proof but it seemed to me that he was being tested more in the tour and that they tested Astana more that other teams.

I don't really have a problem with that given doubts many have about Lance and the fact that Astana was in it's first year back after being kicked out of the Tour over that scumbag Vino.

Thanks for admitting that you pulled it out of your A$$, that is big of you.

 

[Race Radio]

Was Lance the ONLY ProTour rider to give a hair sample to the AFLD in 2009?

Such a clean, shiny, and manageable hair sample?

The AFLD did the testing at Paris-Nice. They took hair samples of many riders there

 

[Publicus]

The AFLD did the testing at Paris-Nice. They took hair samples of many riders there

But I assume Lance was the only one to tweet about it!

 

[ravens]

As repeated many times on many threads, even other forums, there is no records kept on which athletes were tested to what degree. None the less, by deductive reasoning based on the amount of races entered, and won, where most testing occurred by percentage, during Lance's main years of racing it would be virtually impossible that he was the most tested cyclist, with Mario Cipollini, Erik Zabel, Laurent Jalabert, and Robbie McEwen likely tested many more times, and a few more racers tested more as well (Simoni, Heras, etc.). Lance simply didn't races as much, nor win as often across the calendar year as they did. And there is zero indication or proof that he was targeted for out of competition testing more than any other cyclist.

In the last 3 years, testing frequency has increased in the sport. None the less, since his 2009 comeback, it's still not likely Lance was the most tested athlete last year. Logic would indicate that cyclist was Mark Cavendish.

Just to close the loop, since some people may read the thread and not know what book I am referring to, I believe it came out just before the '04 tdf. The version I had (audio CD) was appended to detail the 04 win. My point is that one would have to refer to the protocols and races and riders of that time frame. Not sure what Cav was doing 5 1/2 yrs ago.

CC's posts leave lots of gaps and I think we are all trying to help fill in some blanks as well as correct when appropriate.

Doping and Lance are a volatile topic, but let's not forget that long after he retires (soon!) the dope problem is still going to be the elephant in the room. My philosophy is that it is a professional sport which the outcome can be determined more by doping than just about anything else. (Notable exception of track and field.)

 

[Race Radio]

As repeated many times on many threads, even other forums, there is no records kept on which athletes were tested to what degree. None the less, by deductive reasoning based on the amount of races entered, and won, where most testing occurred by percentage, during Lance's main years of racing it would be virtually impossible that he was the most tested cyclist, with Mario Cipollini, Erik Zabel, Laurent Jalabert, and Robbie McEwen likely tested many more times, and a few more racers tested more as well (Simoni, Heras, etc.). Lance simply didn't races as much, nor win as often across the calendar year as they did. And there is zero indication or proof that he was targeted for out of competition testing more than any other cyclist.

In the last 3 years, testing frequency has increased in the sport. None the less, since his 2009 comeback, it's still not likely Lance was the most tested athlete last year. Logic would indicate that cyclist was Mark Cavendish.

There actually is a way to see part of it.

http://www.usantidoping.org/what-we-do/testing-statistics/athlete-test-history.aspx

Just plug in the riders name and you will see that during much of Armstrong run his OOC testing was limited to 1-2 times a year.

 

[Carboncrank]

I am really trying to figure out what you meant here, but I can't do it. If by "not" you mean "not doping" then I think you are arguing with yourself. If you are trying to claim that there is no evidence that Lance dopes then I must conclude that you were either born yesterday or you have thoroughly gone out of your way to never read or never comprehend anything that has been presented as evidence of Armstrong's doping. Don't try to tell me that Contador does too, because I am almost as certain that he does as I am that Lance does, that is immaterial to this discussion.

Well, if that's really you position you should just get on with being what ever kind of "fan" you are and quit whining and moaning about it.

 

[Carboncrank]

Thanks for admitting that you pulled it out of your A$$, that is big of you.

and your response is typically infantile.

 

[pedaling squares]

You're reduced to having to take away stages of the race to fit your theory?

Let's take away 17. Lance is second.

Better yet. Alberto stays with Kloden, Lance bridges up, the two of them ride on the back wheels of the Schlecks down the mountain protecting AC, and Lance finishes second.

I'll agree with you that Lance Armstrong finishing on the podium after a long absence was very impressive. And I'll agree that he deserved to be there; the race included a TTT and he was playing by the same rules as everyone else (ok, don't read too deeply into that). But you lost me with the fantasy stage plot. Lance bridges up? You threw that out like it was nothing. If he could have been with Contador and Kloden don't you think he would have been there? You remind me of Philligget after they all passed the summit, banging on about how the great descender was about to catch the Shlecks, only to have the camera reveal he was losing time to Nibali. Your theory was too convenient, but the reality of the 2009 tour was that Armstrong was one of the best riders there, but he didn't have what it took to hang onto Contador and the Schlecks (Andy mostly) in the mountains.

 

[Race Radio]

and your response is typically infantile.

This from the kid who makes lists of who he hates, who he really hates, and who he wants to kill.

Didn't you get banned for threatening to kill another poster?

 

[ravens]

Well, if that's really you position you should just get on with being what ever kind of "fan" you are and quit whining and moaning about it.

If they ban whining and moaning, what the hell is the point of a forum!!??!!

 

[ravens]

This from the kid who makes lists of who he hates, who he really hates, and who he wants to kill.

Didn't you get banned for threatening to kill another poster?

Please folks, let's not go 'Postal' here.

 

[Ripper]

Just don't become a cancer lover