The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[flicker]

I don't know but after I heard all the slammin of aRmStrong in cycling news forum and I kinda looked out at who is slammin him.

I personally know doctors who go to impovershed countries and help out kids.
That is who aRmStrong mentioned was involved in helping,you can slam Lance all you want. I know that organization doctors without borders. If you have time you can help out kids. That is who Lance mentioned.

Helping is good.

 

[frenchfry]

Please excuse me for getting off subject. I know that a lot of people in this closet called cycling news hate Mr. Armstrong. I do want to give kudos to him for his foundation donating to Haiti. He also suggested donating to Doctors without borders. My sons pediatric dentist goes to Mexico, sometimes Belize and sometimes Guatamala to do volunteer dental work for kids who need help down south. The dentist works with the organisation Doctors without borders. If you feel so inclined help out others, do so, any way you can. It makes our world a better place. Ciao Flicker.

It was indeed a clever use of other people's money to further enhance the myth and keep his minions happy.

I won't let this keep me from continuing to donate to Médecins Sans Frontières though. That would be my money, not someone elses.

 

[Ferminal]

I don't know but after I heard all the slammin of aRmStrong in cycling news forum and I kinda looked out at who is slammin him.

I personally know doctors who go to impovershed countries and help out kids.
That is who aRmStrong mentioned was involved in helping,you can slam Lance all you want. I know that organization doctors without borders. If you have time you can help out kids. That is who Lance mentioned.

Helping is good.

They are indeed a great organisation, if I do, I'd make a contribution to them directly.

 

[kurtinsc]

I thought it was a foundation for raising global cancer awareness? These are two very different goals, if I donated to a cancer charity I'd be ****ed to see that money being used for emergency relief.

The LAF is not about cancer awareness.

It's about helping cancer survivors. Lance's comeback (in theory) was about raising cancer awareness, but it's best not to confuse that with what the LAF does.

Either way, there is a point there. A charity that is supposed to do one thing shouldn't be spending money on something unrelated... no matter how "good" the cause. Originally, it looked like Lance was donating his own money in the "name" of the LAF... which would have been fine. Using LAF money really isn't.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Thanks Immaculate. We can disagree without being disagreeable, which is what I've come to appreciate about you.

Likewise bro, I can respect anybody that offers solid and fair criticism, regardless if I like the guy or not. You and Race Radio do that.

As for Lance, there is plenty he does that does not meet with scorn, but that is largely not the topic of discussion within these forums. I'm not so blinded by hatred for the man that I cannot appreciate that he inspires millions of folks (heck, he is one of the main reasons I became a cycling fan). But I am also equally not so enamored with his good deeds that I cannot be critical of his less than flattering attributes.

Well said....

 

[flicker]

The LAF is not about cancer awareness.

It's about helping cancer survivors. Lance's comeback (in theory) was about raising cancer awareness, but it's best not to confuse that with what the LAF does.

Either way, there is a point there. A charity that is supposed to do one thing shouldn't be spending money on something unrelated... no matter how "good" the cause. Originally, it looked like Lance was donating his own money in the "name" of the LAF... which would have been fine. Using LAF money really isn't.

We must expect things like that he plays by his own rules. I do not know if that is a Texas thing,IE: Lyndon B. Johnson, George W. Bush.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Originally, it looked like Lance was donating his own money in the "name" of the LAF... which would have been fine. Using LAF money really isn't.

I think that's what happened. From what Lance said, it sounded like he and some partners donated money in the name of the LAF. So I would assume they donated to the LAF which then donated that to Haiti. I haven't seen documentation that proves otherwise (haven't been looking), but if some publication has proved me wrong, please show me.

 

[bianchigirl]

Patrick, you make a valid point about the .org. Someone who went on one of the Livestrong rides said 'I didn't go there to ride with Lance. I went there to ride because I could'. And I'm sure in the joke that is the US healthcare, a community to support you through all the cr*p is more than welcome. But I am a more than a little sceptical of the US cult of positivity - if positive thoughts get you through, fine but it does worry me about the implications for those whose cancer returns or becomes incurable - did they not fight hard enough? Think positively enough?

Giving is good and I do - but I wouldn't give to Livestrong simply because I don't see its relevance to the experience of those I know with cancer. They and I prefer to donate to Cancer Research and Macmillan.

 

[ravens]

Thanks Immaculate. We can disagree without being disagreeable, which is what I've come to appreciate about you.

All of this sentimentality is getting to be a bit much. The thread is RUINED!

Just get it overwith and have a big group hug before carbonium crank-hed comes back....Too late!

 

[flicker]

Come on Heath, show the Love.

 

[Anonymous]

I think that's what happened. From what Lance said, it sounded like he and some partners donated money in the name of the LAF. So I would assume they donated to the LAF which then donated that to Haiti. I haven't seen documentation that proves otherwise (haven't been looking), but if some publication has proved me wrong, please show me.

The thing that is bugging me with this is that he did not say that the money was for Haiti. He said something like "giving £200k to charities who have dealings in Haiti". There is a slight, but definite, distinction there. Was it specified that the money should be spent solely for Haiti? Or was it yet another LA clouded "politicians' promise"?

 

[Berzin]

I certainly know my life will never have near the positive impact his is having.

That's because your incessant hero worship has paralyzed you and has kept you glued to your computer screen defending all things Lance.

Go outside and help an old lady cross the street or something and get off Lance Armstrong's jockstrap already.

The fresh air may do your fevered brain some good.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

The thing that is bugging me with this is that he did not say that the money was for Haiti. He said something like "giving £200k to charities who have dealings in Haiti". There is a slight, but definite, distinction there. Was it specified that the money should be spent solely for Haiti? Or was it yet another LA clouded "politicians' promise"?

I know what you're saying, and it's understandable. It goes along with one of my biggest complaints about the LAF. I support the foundation and will continue to do so, but I don't see a lot of personal financial sacrifice from its founder. If that money was taken out of funds for cancer research, awareness, etc then I'm less than impressed. If it was in fact donated personally and earmarked in the LAF as Haiti money, then I think it's a commendable and benevolent act. What I would love to see Lance do is donate about 50% of his income (appearance fees, team salary, endorsements) annualy to the LAF, or maybe take all appearance fees and donate those. He would still have millions, and the LAF could do so much more good (not that they aren't already). I don't fault him for making loads of money but would like to see him sacrifice more for the greater good: Cancer, Haiti, world hunger, whatever.

 

[pmcg76]

I know what you're saying, and it's understandable. It goes along with one of my biggest complaints about the LAF. I support the foundation and will continue to do so, but I don't see a lot of personal financial sacrifice from its founder. If that money was taken out of funds for cancer research, awareness, etc then I'm less than impressed. If it was in fact donated personally and earmarked in the LAF as Haiti money, then I think it's a commendable and benevolent act. What I would love to see Lance do is donate about 50% of his income (appearance fees, team salary, endorsements) annualy to the LAF, or maybe take all appearance fees and donate those. He would still have millions, and the LAF could do so much more good (not that they aren't already). I don't fault him for making loads of money but would like to see him sacrifice more for the greater good: Cancer, Haiti, world hunger, whatever.

IK, I want to ask you a question as I know you are a Lance fan but a well balanced fan at that.

What do you think of Lance allegedly receiving big appearance fee's whilst at the same time supposedly raising cancer awareness? Would Lance have travelled to Australia, Italy or Ireland last year if there were no personal incentives?

 

[ravens]

Come on Heath, show the Love.

Never been a big fan of the man to man contact.

 

[ravens]

That's because your incessant hero worship has paralyzed you and has kept you glued to your computer screen defending all things Lance.

Go outside and help an old lady cross the street or something and get off Lance Armstrong's jockstrap already.

The fresh air may do your fevered brain some good.

Point made.

(Do pro-cyclists wear jockstraps, sounds kinda nasty? Having big rows of stitches highlighting my crotch is bad enough... )

 

[Berzin]

(Do pro-cyclists wear jockstraps, sounds kinda nasty? Having big rows of stitches highlighting my crotch is bad enough... )

They don't. The phrase is a euphemism for the type of pathetic hero worship to the exclusion of basic common sense that Carboncrank freely indulges in, exhibiting a severe lack of self-worth.

The worshiper wears it over the face, jock side cemented over the nose and mouth to get maximum exposure of the hero's sweaty testicular perspiration.

It has the same effect on the brain as sniffing glue, with the difference being that brain damage occurs almost instantaneously.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

IK, I want to ask you a question as I know you are a Lance fan but a well balanced fan at that.

What do you think of Lance allegedly receiving big appearance fee's whilst at the same time supposedly raising cancer awareness? Would Lance have travelled to Australia, Italy or Ireland last year if there were no personal incentives?

Thanks for the compliment, and a good question. It's actually the very reason I mentioned he dontate his appearance fees to the LAF, especially those on behalf of the LAF or cancer. I do have a slight problem with him profiting from appearances. If it were his primary/only source of income, then he should be compensated for appearances, but he still has endorsements, and we can safely assume Radio Shack his paying him this year. I'm sure those provide more than a living wage. I think he would have gone to Australia and Italy for the training if nothing else (also to support Levi in the Giro), but if they weren't holding a global cancer summit in Ireland shortly after the race, he wouldn't have gone unless he was getting paid. I seriously doubt he'll go this year; have we ever known Lance to race after July? I certainly think the incentives sweetened the pot though.

In fairness, the TdU and ToI wanted him and offered him the money because he would increase interest in the races. If I were Lance, I would donate atleast half that money to the LAF or even to other Cancer charities/causes.

 

[ravens]

They don't. The phrase is a euphemism for the type of pathetic hero worship to the exclusion of basic common sense that Carboncrank freely indulges in, exhibiting a severe lack of self-worth.

The worshiper wears it over the face, jock side cemented over the nose and mouth to get maximum exposure of the hero's sweaty testicular perspiration.

It has the same effect on the brain as sniffing glue, with the difference being that brain damage occurs almost instantaneously.

I hope you could tell I knew. AFAIK, in cycling they are called chamois sniffers, but your outstanding imagery negates any point deductions I was going to assess you.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Ravens, I have to deduct points for your use of imagery. Thanks to your avatar, I now have this mental picture of Obama in Joker's make-up wearing a purple kit with a his crotch highlighted by green stitching.

 

[ravens]

Ravens, I have to deduct points for your use of imagery. Thanks to your avatar, I now have this mental picture of Obama in Joker's make-up wearing a purple kit with a his crotch highlighted by green stitching.

Deduct a few more when you imagine Rahm Emanuel in a Robin costume licking something off the corner of his lips.

 

[patricknd]

Patrick, you make a valid point about the .org. Someone who went on one of the Livestrong rides said 'I didn't go there to ride with Lance. I went there to ride because I could'. And I'm sure in the joke that is the US healthcare, a community to support you through all the cr*p is more than welcome. But I am a more than a little sceptical of the US cult of positivity - if positive thoughts get you through, fine but it does worry me about the implications for those whose cancer returns or becomes incurable - did they not fight hard enough? Think positively enough?

Giving is good and I do - but I wouldn't give to Livestrong simply because I don't see its relevance to the experience of those I know with cancer. They and I prefer to donate to Cancer Research and Macmillan.

if you read that quote about 'riding because i could' on dpf that was me. it was a little bit of whistling past the graveyard so to speak. what i saw at the ride was a lot of survivors, but even more groups riding in memory of someone. it was a very sobering thing. i had just been told i was cancer free 3 weeks before that, and i felt an unbelievable amount of guilt for that. it's silly to feel that way, but the randomness of who lives and who doesn't is a hard thing with which to deal. every one fights hard enough, it ends up being luck.

i've boohooed enough for one day. may i say i am one person who appreciates your giving, and thank you very much.

 

[bianchigirl]

Patrick, it's the only thing that's ever made sense to me about Livestrong and it made me realise that the community has become a quite separate entity to the man. From the Livestrong media pack I see that only 21% buy wristbands to support Armstrong -it has clearly outgrown the man to become something very necessary of which the community has taken ownership. But I'm delighted that you got to ride because you could and that you're still riding. And don't ever think that anyone who has died would ever begrudge you the luck to be alive and out on your bike.

 

[patricknd]

Patrick, it's the only thing that's ever made sense to me about Livestrong and it made me realise that the community has become a quite separate entity to the man. From the Livestrong media pack I see that only 21% buy wristbands to support Armstrong -it has clearly outgrown the man to become something very necessary of which the community has taken ownership. But I'm delighted that you got to ride because you could and that you're still riding. And don't ever think that anyone who has died would ever begrudge you the luck to be alive and out on your bike.

thank you very much.

 

[Carboncrank]

That's because your incessant hero worship has paralyzed you and has kept you glued to your computer screen defending all things Lance.

Go outside and help an old lady cross the street or something and get off Lance Armstrong's jockstrap already.

The fresh air may do your fevered brain some good.

Here we go again. Anyone who dares counter lies about Lance is guilty of hero worship.

I'll say again for the ninety ninth time. Lance is not my hero. I don't do heros. I don't even think he's currently the best Grand Tour racer. I'm just a defender of truth.

Thanks for dropping in and delivering a cheap shot when you've contributed nothing to the actual discussions going on in this thread.

As far as getting outside? We're having an almost historically bad winter where I am. I'd offer to let you smell my crotch when I'm done shoveling snow, but I'm not that kind of guy. Jerk.