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Publicus said:
It's actual more than a custom fit issue. The color scheme is different around the chest and shoulder areas, as compared to AC's and Kloden's jersey. Not sure what that is about, but it is what it is.

Yeah I after posted that comment, I noticed the WC stripe. I thought that's what it might be but wasn't sure.

It is stylistically different in the chest and sleeves are slightly different. Maybe Lance's preference in cut necessitates the jersey be altered slightly....and/or vice versa.
 
kurtinsc said:
It's the ex-world champion thing.

I'm suprised it was as different as it was over the shoulders, but anyone who was once a WC has that on their sleeves... right?

Here's Bettini at quickstep with his:

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Bettini's in this picture are from his being Italian National Champion.
Edit: Upon closer inspection it is the world champ stripes. (Oooops!:eek:)

Not all riders choose to have the world champion stripes on their jersey's. If I recall Armstrong didn't have it on his for several years all the way to his retirement.
 
Angliru said:
Bettini's in this picture are from his being Italian National Champion.
Edit: Upon closer inspection it is the world champ stripes. (Oooops!:eek:)

Not all riders choose to have the world champion stripes on their jersey's. If I recall Armstrong didn't have it on his for several years all the way to his retirement.

As far as I can tell, he doesn't have them on the Radio Shack jersey.
 

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ImmaculateKadence said:
Good observation. I wonder why....:rolleyes:

Visual aid:

Obviously, the wc stripes are not relevant to his brand building, and despite the fact that he is a liar and a fraud, I can't begrudge the brand building.

An anecdote about John D. Rockefeller. He was asked, "What is enough?" Rockefeller's reply: "Just a little bit more."

On top of that, to make the fanboys happy, I kind of like the kit, but the gray color looks a little too much like asphalt to be of use to the average fanboy cyclist. Again, Lance is not about cycling any longer, he transcended the sport so who cares if cyclists don't want to wear his kit?
 
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ravens said:
Obviously, the wc stripes are not relevant to his brand building, and despite the fact that he is a liar and a fraud, I can't begrudge the brand building.

An anecdote about John D. Rockefeller. He was asked, "What is enough?" Rockefeller's reply: "Just a little bit more."

On top of that, to make the fanboys happy, I kind of like the kit, but the gray color looks a little too much like asphalt to be of use to the average fanboy cyclist. Again, Lance is not about cycling any longer, he transcended the sport so who cares if cyclists don't want to wear his kit?

I was thinking it's Lance's subtle way of trying one up AC, but sure....:p
 

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ravens said:
Obviously, the wc stripes are not relevant to his brand building, and despite the fact that he is a liar and a fraud, I can't begrudge the brand building.

So he should institutionalize his sociopathology? I begrudge the brand building based on lies and fraud myself. I guess we're different that way.:eek:


ravens said:
An anecdote about John D. Rockefeller. He was asked, "What is enough?" Rockefeller's reply: "Just a little bit more."

He's someone to emulate?


ravens said:
On top of that, to make the fanboys happy, I kind of like the kit, but the gray color looks a little too much like asphalt to be of use to the average fanboy cyclist. Again, Lance is not about cycling any longer, he transcended the sport so who cares if cyclists don't want to wear his kit?

Fashion is individual.
 
ImmaculateKadence]Good observation. I wonder why....:rolleyes:
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I think he was using the WC stripes on his jersey as way to further prop himself above Contador in stature on the team. Just like he felt it necessary to remind the media that he's won 7 Tours (as if they didn't know that already). He was still able to have his Livestrong yellow on the kit along with his WC stripes. Now that he's the lone Alpha dog among sheep he no longer feels the need to mark his territory.;)
 
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ImmaculateKadence]Good observation. I wonder why....:rolleyes:
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I think he was using the WC stripes on his jersey as way to further prop himself above Contador in stature on the team. Just like he felt it necessary to remind the media that he's won 7 Tours (as if they didn't know that already). He was still able to have his Livestrong yellow on the kit along with his WC stripes. Now that he's the lone Alpha dog among sheep he no longer feels the need to mark his territory.;)

Exactly what I was thinking :D
 

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buckwheat said:
So he should institutionalize his sociopathology? I begrudge the brand building based on lies and fraud myself. I guess we're different that way.:eek:

I can't just see people one way - please stay out of the Obama thread or else you will think that statement is contradictory! People who are desperate to find hope due to cancer look for inspiration. Should I be questioning where they find it? I am not playing the 'cancer card', I am just saying, they are in a desperate place ...so, whatever works for them. he's made a brand out of it. If it wasn't him it woulda been some other a-hole.



He's someone to emulate?


That's like saying "Is 2+2=4 something to emulate?" Emulation has zero to do with it. It just is. He stated a simple fact of life. This topic is best discussed elsewhere.

Fashion is individual.

Yes it is, most kit is hideous, and fat/SLOW AS S!HT bazztards like me have no business wearing a bib any other color than black. IMO.

You wanna rock a team kit at a weekend warrior ms training ride, you better have the legs to back it up or else you just look like a duffus. Again, my opinion. PM me with flames or just start a new thread.

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WTF just happened to my response? Leme try and fix it. and then delete this one.
 
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Angliru said:
That's what I thought but I figured I'd post it just to get it out there in case someone has some other perspective.

I'm glad you did. The "marking his territory" comment was well worth it and a very apt metaphor.
 

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buckwheat said:
So he should institutionalize his sociopathology? I begrudge the brand building based on lies and fraud myself. I guess we're different that way.:eek:

I can't just see people one way - please stay out of the Obama thread or else you will think that statement is contradictory! People who are desperate to find hope due to cancer look for inspiration. Should I be questioning where they find it? I am not playing the 'cancer card', I am just saying, they are in a desperate place ...so, whatever works for them. he's made a brand out of it. If it wasn't him it woulda been some other a-hole.


buckwheat said:
He's someone to emulate?



That's like saying "Is 2+2=4 something to emulate?" Emulation has zero to do with it. It just is. He stated a simple fact of life. This topic is best discussed elsewhere.

buckwheat said:
Fashion is individual.

Yes it is, most kit is hideous, and fat/SLOW AS S!HT bazztards like me have no business wearing a bib any other color than black. IMO. (please don't look in my drawer, once again, it will make a liar of me.):rolleyes:

You wanna rock a team kit at a weekend warrior ms training ride, you better have the legs to back it up or else you just look like a duffus. Again, my opinion. PM me with flames or just start a new thread.

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You wanna rock a team kit at a weekend warrior ms training ride, you better have the legs to back it up or else you just look like a duffus. Again, my opinion. PM me with flames or just start a new thread.
Don't mess with the Zohan er Heath er Ravens. Toughest cyclist behind a monitor screen.
 

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flicker said:
You wanna rock a team kit at a weekend warrior ms training ride, you better have the legs to back it up or else you just look like a duffus. Again, my opinion. PM me with flames or just start a new thread.
Don't mess with the Zohan er Heath er Ravens. Toughest cyclist behind a monitor screen.
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I think I have already stated this clearly, sorry, let me repeat:

I am Fat and Slow as S!ht

i don't get the zohan thing, don't take in too many movies. Sorry.

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ravens said:
People who are desperate to find hope due to cancer look for inspiration. Should I be questioning where they find it? I am not playing the 'cancer card', I am just saying, they are in a desperate place ...so, whatever works for them.

Let me straighten you out, as someone who has been directly affected by this disease. Cancer patients look to their loved ones for support and inspiration. From the oncologists to the nurses who administer the chemotherapy to their family and friends. These are the people that are there fighting the good fight alongside them, day in and day out.

They are the ones that get steamrolled time and time again by Lances' runaway ego and his idiot crew of fanboys who think anyone who is battling this disease looks to HIM for inspiration. Nothing could be further from the truth. He does not get to hold the cancer community hostage while his fanboys over-inflate his influence in the cancer community.

This is where I draw the line with this guy and everything he stands for. The fact that he takes credit for being "an inspiration to millions" is beyond egotistical-it is cowardly and patently false. Of all the lies he's perpetrated, this is the one I cannot stomach.


ravens said:
You wanna rock a team kit at a weekend warrior ms training ride, you better have the legs to back it up or else you just look like a duffus. Again, my opinion. PM me with flames or just start a new thread.

I take it the adage "Live and let live" means absolutely nothing to you. I wonder out loud why someone out looking to enjoy and support the sport by wearing pro team kit is any of your business.
 
Thankyou excellent post & I feel the same when facing a similar situation 3 times over. It's personal & it's family.4

To this day I have no idea what livestrong could have done that would have helped the situation.

What do they do again?

Berzin said:
Let me straighten you out, as someone who has been directly affected by this disease. Cancer patients look to their loved ones for support and inspiration. From the oncologists to the nurses who administer the chemotherapy to their family and friends. These are the people that are there fighting the good fight alongside them, day in and day out.

They are the ones that get steamrolled time and time again by Lances' runaway ego and his idiot crew of fanboys who think anyone who is battling this disease looks to HIM for inspiration. Nothing could be further from the truth. He does not get to hold the cancer community hostage while his fanboys over-inflate his influence in the cancer community.

This is where I draw the line with this guy and everything he stands for. The fact that he takes credit for being "an inspiration to millions" is beyond egotistical-it is cowardly and patently false. Of all the lies he's perpetrated, this is the one I cannot stomach.




I take it the adage "Live and let live" means absolutely nothing to you. I wonder out loud why someone out looking to enjoy and support the sport by wearing pro team kit is any of your business.
 
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Carboncrank said:
I look at the same pics and see he looks noticeably thinner in the chest and shoulders.

But if thinking he hasn't lost weight make you feel safer, go right ahead.

What do you think of Lance's weight difference between his 1993 World Championship win and his 1999 Tour de France win?

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Any guesses?

From Coyle's paper on Lance Armstrong:

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Would you have guessed he was 3kg lighter in 1993 based on those photos? No way I would have. Photos are not good measures of weight loss or comparisons. Depends on the lighting, lens, angle, etc.

Also, Lance is well known for lying about his weight. In the same Coyle paper, he estimated his own racing weight as 72kg. However, Lance admitted that his actual weight was closer to 74kg when under oath during the SCA trial.

Carboncrank said:
None of which tests would ever hold up in court. Pretty much all the GC contenders around him in his era got busted.

Get over tests sponsored by a French newspaper that always had a hard on for him and put it to bed.

He's passing all the same tests everyone gets.

I find some of your posturing amusing, but you really need to get your facts right before sprouting BS like this. The facts are:
- Lance tested positive to EPO on six different samples taken during the 1999 TdF
- These tests were conducted as part of a research trial into this particular EPO test. The samples were not handled according to UCI/WADA regulations because this was research and never intended to convict an athlete or be defendable in a court of law. It was testing the validity and accuracy of the test, not trying to find a guilty athlete.
- An investigative journalist from l'Equipe knew of this research and requested permission from both Lance Armstrong and the UCI to look at his drug tests, and both granted permission.
- This journalist, who was given more than he asked for by the UCI, then matched the numbers from positives recorded by the researchers to the drug tests voluntarily provided by Lance and the UCI.

He was exposed by good investigative journalism. That's all. Nothing nefarious or illegal about the journalist's methods. However, despite WADA pushing for a conviction, those tests could never be used to convict Lance because they were never intended for that purpose. This still does not change the FACT that Lance has tested positive.

Also he has tested positive to steroids, but magically found a TUE which somehow was able to be applied retrospectively. Wonder why the UCI allowed this? Anything to do with a certain donation by Lance to the UCI?

Finally, the one negative test that continues to astound me is that he never tested positive to hCG when he had testicular cancer. hCG is a marker for testicular cancer and also a banned substance because it boosts testosterone production. Lance boasts that his hCG levels were >110,000 at the time of his diagnosis when the normal levels are <0.5. He was tested multiple times in 1996, but never tested positive for elevated hCG levels despite the fact that these would have been increased for many months before his actual diagnosis. So why didn't he test positive? UCI coverup? Any other ideas? A number of other athletes have had their lives saved because of an early diagnosis of testicular cancer because of increased hCG levels on drug tests.

So the argument that he has never tested positive is just delusional. He has tested positive six times to EPO and once to cortisone. And, as Dr. Maserati has pointed out, the majority of guilty riders in the peloton past and present have not been found guilty because of a positive test but rather police actions and guilty admissions.
 
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Berzin said:
Let me straighten you out, as someone who has been directly affected by this disease. Cancer patients look to their loved ones for support and inspiration. From the oncologists to the nurses who administer the chemotherapy to their family and friends. These are the people that are there fighting the good fight alongside them, day in and day out.

They are the ones that get steamrolled time and time again by Lances' runaway ego and his idiot crew of fanboys who think anyone who is battling this disease looks to HIM for inspiration. Nothing could be further from the truth. He does not get to hold the cancer community hostage while his fanboys over-inflate his influence in the cancer community.

This is where I draw the line with this guy and everything he stands for. The fact that he takes credit for being "an inspiration to millions" is beyond egotistical-it is cowardly and patently false. Of all the lies he's perpetrated, this is the one I cannot stomach.




I take it the adage "Live and let live" means absolutely nothing to you. I wonder out loud why someone out looking to enjoy and support the sport by wearing pro team kit is any of your business.

i'm curious as to why you took such offense at ravens' suggestion that cancer patients might look at la for inspiration. i think any survivor is an inspiration, as well as the people you mention.
 
patricknd said:
i'm curious as to why you took such offense at ravens' suggestion that cancer patients might look at la for inspiration. i think any survivor is an inspiration, as well as the people you mention.

I didn't take offense, I'm just tired of the bullshyte and wanted to take this time to correct this misconception.

There are many people who think Armstrong hovers over every cancer patient's life from the second they get diagnosed to the time they (hopefully) go into remission and recover. This is patently false and nothing could be further from the truth.

The spreading of this propaganda for the purposes of self-aggrandizement by his army of lapdogs and fanboys makes me sick, and it's about time someone said something about it.
 
elapid said:
However, despite WADA pushing for a conviction, those tests could never be used to convict Lance because they were never intended for that purpose.

Did they? Their legal budget was/is only about €1,500,000 and that doesn't seem enough to take on LA


elapid said:
He was tested multiple times in 1996, but never tested positive for elevated hCG levels despite the fact that these would have been increased for many months before his actual diagnosis. So why didn't he test positive? UCI coverup? Any other ideas?

It's either going to be masking agents or the UCI. It'd seem odd that the UCI would cover up for an average classics rider though (i.e. he wasn't a big name then)..


Makes me sad thinking that this guy will never be brought down.
 
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I heard about it too on the news in 2005 I believe. Are those samples still valid after 6+ years? I think that's probably the reason they couldn't convict him.
 
This information is from the Fall 2006 issue of RIDE cycling magazine(issue #32)-

Supposedly, this was Armstrong's preparation for the 1994 season-he spent the off-season doing 7,000 kilometers of training and he went from 68 to 64 kilos.

Then he lost a further 8 kilos after cancer. That would put his weight post-cancer at 56 kilos, which is 123.2 pounds.
 
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