The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

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Berzin said:
The whole "he's given hope to millions" is a propaganda slogan completely devoid of evidence to confirm it's truth.

Who are these millions? I volunteer at two hospitals in NYC, one private and one public. The majority of the patients I speak to have never heard of Armstrong.

My doctor has told me in a moment of private candor that it's not in his best interest to give people false hope with some fairy tale that is more than likely a contrivance given the controversy surrounding Armstrong's drug use, which one particular oncologist told me was massive in his pre-cancer days.

The other thing he told me was that people really don't care about his story-they just want their family and friends around them. One of the biggest fears the majority of the patients I know have is being shunned by their loved ones. Their inspiration is getting a visit from a friend or relative who genuinely cares.

In the private hospital I attend, it's the yuppie parents who yak on and on about Armstrong, simply because they are impressed with his number 1 status and his material success. One of the teenagers I visit told me that this disease has actually brought his family together. Before he got sick his parents worked all day and sent him to every camp known to man every summer.

This poor kid, with all the money in the world, just wanted to spend time with his parents and to have them pay some attention to him instead of being out there chasing the yuppie dream of being king of the universe.

These are some of the stories that some of you are completely oblivious to. Wearing a yellow bracelet doesn't give you license to spew untruths that are meant only to perpetuate a fraud who in the name of cancer is lining his pockets and making fools out of anyone naive enough to believe what he says he stands for.

All that yellow bracelet does for people is give them a false and cheap sense of activism and a sense of belonging to Armstrong's insipid gang of groupies, where all truths are absolute and not to be questioned.

Wow you sure sound like one bitter and envious guy.

He has given hope to many people, undoubtedly many more than you. If you don't believe anyone has been granted hope, then explain who the thousands of people are who sign up for each and every livestrong event. Explain all the individual websites that go up by cancer survivors who prescribe to the livestrong charity. Livestrong has helped put cancer on the center stage worldwide. They aren't perfect, but to hate a group that is trying to do something good makes you look lilke the fool.

Who cares if the yellow band makes people feel a false sense of activism. They can feel whatever they want after they paid for it and the money goes to cancer research/charities. That yellow bracelot which you seem to despise has put millions of dollars into cancer research, but you are right that is a horrible thing.

Maybe you should put more time into volunteering and less time into whining about lance on this site.
 
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eleven said:
"I don't think in the grand scheme of things Armstrong means a whole lot."

try telling that to the ones to whom he has "provided a lot of hope"

What's the problem there? That's true of anyone who starts a foundation with their name attached to it. It has a dual purpose. That dual purpose doesn't impact its ability to be effective - and in fact, the dual purpose is in part what makes it effective.

What would his return look like if it was about helping those with cancer?
Why would reaching out to Contador and the Spanish media further cancer research? And as for speaking out about health care reform generally and cancer funding in particular, well, surely you are aware he has spoken out quite often about the need for more cancer funding and such?

When my dad was first diagnosed with cancer, someone gave him Lance's first book, and when he finished it, I asked him what he thought.
He wasn't inspired at all. He was more disappointed that a guy like Lance Armstrong could behave the way he does, given what he had been through.
 
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peloton said:
Got any links to back this up?

Armstrong's foundation gives very little to research. We have hashed this out about a million times here. It's primary purpose seems to be selling false hope in order to enrich Armstrong himself.
 
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offbyone said:
The yellow band alone is responsible for 33$ million plus to date for cancer research, awareness, etc. Where do you think the money goes? You people are blinded by hate.

A couple quick links from google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestrong_wristband
http://rubberbracelets.com/custom-livestrong-bracelets/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7068983

You just tried to avoid the question, fanboy. The question was how much, as in what percentage, goes to research, not research plus a nebulous term like awareness. Find that percentage and then get back to us. We have discussed this over and over before.
 
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Wow you sure sound like one bitter and envious guy.

He has given hope to many people, undoubtedly many more than you. If you don't believe anyone has been granted hope, then explain who the thousands of people are who sign up for each and every livestrong event. Explain all the individual websites that go up by cancer survivors who prescribe to the livestrong charity. Livestrong has helped put cancer on the center stage worldwide. They aren't perfect, but to hate a group that is trying to do something good makes you look lilke the fool.

Who cares if the yellow band makes people feel a false sense of activism. They can feel whatever they want after they paid for it and the money goes to cancer research/charities. That yellow bracelot which you seem to despise has put millions of dollars into cancer research, but you are right that is a horrible thing.

Maybe you should put more time into volunteering and less time into whining about lance on this site.

i don't think that's a very fair attitude towards berzin. while i may disagree with much of what he says, he's well within his rights to voice his opinions. not all cancer patients find armstrong to be an inspiration, hell i'm sure that there are tons that have never heard of him. where a patient finds his inspiration is no ones business but his own.as a recent cancer patient myself, if he took offense with the patients for wearing yellow wristbands i'd be highly ****ed. but that's not what he said at all. he's volunteering, and that's a great thing when anyone does it. treatment can be lonely, and i was fortunate to have family around all the time. i never did chemo alone, my family was always there. some people are not so fortunate, and we should all tip our hats to berzin for volunteering.

and berzin, a lot of yellow bands are worn for specific people. when i was released after surgery i stopped by my office to get some work to take home and to see everyone. when i got there i saw many of the people that work for me wearing yellow wrist bands. they's raised over 500.00 for me to go and ride livestrong. i have to tell you it was a tremendous feeling. just a little something for perspective.
 
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BroDeal said:
Armstrong's foundation gives very little to research. We have hashed this out about a million times here. It's primary purpose seems to be selling false hope in order to enrich Armstrong himself.

I know, that's why I was asking.

The brainwashed fanboys don't even know where their money goes, cancer research is not one of them.
 
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the hatred is strong in this forum

if you bothered to even go look you can see where the money goes

Livestrong Programs-Partnerships

81% of all money goes to these programs (about $32m last year). 12% to fundraising and 7% to administration

you can guarentee an organisation this big will be accountable for the funds so stop all the lies about Lance lining his pockets with the donations. I have no doubt he receives some of the money, but nothing even remotely close to the 50% you all seem to think he's getting

btw the foundation is dedicated to improving the lives of those affected by cancer. not research
 
offbyone said:
Wow you sure sound like one bitter and envious guy.

He has given hope to many people, undoubtedly many more than you. If you don't believe anyone has been granted hope, then explain who the thousands of people are who sign up for each and every livestrong event. Explain all the individual websites that go up by cancer survivors who prescribe to the livestrong charity. Livestrong has helped put cancer on the center stage worldwide. They aren't perfect, but to hate a group that is trying to do something good makes you look lilke the fool.

Who cares if the yellow band makes people feel a false sense of activism. They can feel whatever they want after they paid for it and the money goes to cancer research/charities. That yellow bracelot which you seem to despise has put millions of dollars into cancer research, but you are right that is a horrible thing.

Maybe you should put more time into volunteering and less time into whining about lance on this site.

You're off by more than one, skippy.
 
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Kender said:
the hatred is strong in this forum

if you bothered to even go look you can see where the money goes

Livestrong Programs-Partnerships

81% of all money goes to these programs (about $32m last year). 12% to fundraising and 7% to administration

you can guarentee an organisation this big will be accountable for the funds so stop all the lies about Lance lining his pockets with the donations. I have no doubt he receives some of the money, but nothing even remotely close to the 50% you all seem to think he's getting

btw the foundation is dedicated to improving the lives of those affected by cancer. not research

Anyone care to dispute these numbers or claim some sort of conspiracy but the unholy entity that is LA? Or can we all just shut up about where the money goes and talk cycling....
 

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Kender said:
the hatred is strong in this forum

if you bothered to even go look you can see where the money goes

Livestrong Programs-Partnerships

81% of all money goes to these programs (about $32m last year). 12% to fundraising and 7% to administration

you can guarentee an organisation this big will be accountable for the funds so stop all the lies about Lance lining his pockets with the donations. I have no doubt he receives some of the money, but nothing even remotely close to the 50% you all seem to think he's getting

btw the foundation is dedicated to improving the lives of those affected by cancer. not research

Thanks for the link. Yes that’s a lot of programs to fund. Just looking into the LiveOn Program which requires an additional $675 for storage! errr where's the funding?

Hang I'll check the Stigma program:

"How will the campaign work?
The campaign seeks to raise awareness of the global cancer burden and reduce the stigma associated with cancer through culturally relevant and targeted messaging. Based on the level of stigma in-country and the need for accurate information, we will create a data-driven, evidence-based campaign that directly challenges negative perceptions or misinformation by collaborating with local organizations and media on the ground."

- Ok that errr sounds err great I guess but where does the money go? and how are they changing stigma? errrr does cancer really have a stigma?

ok what about the Global Cancer Summit in Dublin? Too bad only dignitaries are invited to that one and Lance was only there for 8 minute speech on day 1.

Don't insult me.

Some people seem to think if one gets cancer there is no other information out there other than Livestrong.

When you’re in hospital there are "rooms" to which the patient and their family are taken to which is filled with resources and information in regards to cancer. There resources are not built around celebrity but they are open, honest and real life factual evidence on cancer, the treatments and support networks.

Yes people who have cancer want support, they want to a lift and they want to believe in some form of divine intervention will save them. But being honest, open and realistic about the disease and allowing for normal routines to continue is the best approach. Filling people’s heads with fist pumping and wearing yellow NIKE trainers does not do anything. Believe me I know. Often it alienates them. In my experiences I’ve had to tell many people thanks for the flag waving but please this is not whats required. We love your support but cancer is very real it’s not climbing a mountain or scoring a touchdown. You see what gets in peoples heads from all of this?

Many times I've suggested to people who have been recently diagnosed with cancer or the family members of people who have beIen diagnosed to read Lance's first book: “It’s not about the bike”. The sections on his treatment are very real and very good account of what one will have to go through in regards to treatment. It was probably the last time Armstrong spoke humbly. But the image of the man turns many off. No one wants to be that way. They want to work through the treatment in private and with the support of their family and friends not with some crank who is skimming a buck of everything he does. Lance once knew cancer. He doesn't know it anymore.

If you want to see what a real organisation does read this link: http://www.mariecurie.org.uk/whatwedo/

One page will tell you that this is real:

Research commissioned by Marie Curie Cancer Care shows that 64 per cent of people would choose to die at home. In reality only 25 per cent achieve this.
Every year, Marie Curie Nurses make that wish possible for thousands of cancer patients in cities, towns and villages across the UK.
Marie Curie Nurses now care for around 50 per cent of all cancer patients who die at home. They work through the night or during the day to provide care for patients in the comfortable and familiar surroundings of their own home.
Our nurses are also there for families and carers - providing practical and emotional support at what can be an exhausting time. Marie Curie Nursing is always free of charge to patients and carers.


Believe me this *** makes a real difference not the “programs” you spout off about. Free. Its free. Support an organisation like this. Just compare to this website to Livestrong. It will change your view forever.
 
peloton said:
Got any links to back this up?

These fanboys have zero. They're brainless automatons whose only purpose is to jump on every critical post of Armstrong. Worthless lot, all of them.

I'm disgusted with these people. I've seen what cancer can do first hand. I watched my dad die before my eyes. I have nothing but contempt for the self-righteous a$$holes who try to identify themselves with cancer in order to make a buck. I have even less respect for the mindless lemmings to follow such people.
 

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Moose McKnuckles said:
These fanboys have zero. They're brainless automatons whose only purpose is to jump on every critical post of Armstrong. Worthless lot, all of them.

I'm disgusted with these people. I've seen what cancer can do first hand. I watched my dad die before my eyes. I have nothing but contempt for the self-righteous a$$holes who try to identify themselves with cancer in order to make a buck. I have even less respect for the mindless lemmings to follow such people.

Hi bullwinkle,

I am a mindless lemming. I live on the west coast of north america. Can you please help me find another mindless lemming whom I can follow off a cliff.

I drove down the coast to Big Sur. there were lots of cliffs but there were no mindless lemmings there..... please help.
 
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Kender said:
the hatred is strong in this forum

if you bothered to even go look you can see where the money goes

Livestrong Programs-Partnerships

81% of all money goes to these programs (about $32m last year). 12% to fundraising and 7% to administration

you can guarentee an organisation this big will be accountable for the funds so stop all the lies about Lance lining his pockets with the donations. I have no doubt he receives some of the money, but nothing even remotely close to the 50% you all seem to think he's getting

btw the foundation is dedicated to improving the lives of those affected by cancer. not research

81% goes to "programs". What programs are they referring to? The one that prints posters promoting the Armstrong brand or the one that sells t-shirts?

This has been covered many times. A large focus of Livestrong is building the Armstrong brand. You may be fine with this, many are not.
 

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Sure, dial 1-800-POLISH.

Sorry Moose McKnuckles. One of my Athabaskan Alaskan old relatives was killed by a Moose somewhere north of Anchorage. Dang moose was in her yard messing with her laundry she was just trying to shoo it off!

Ever since then I have only liked my moose in the kettle. Kind of a personal problem. I am really sorry. Fred Taylor
 
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BroDeal said:
You just tried to avoid the question, fanboy. The question was how much, as in what percentage, goes to research, not research plus a nebulous term like awareness. Find that percentage and then get back to us. We have discussed this over and over before.

So I am Fanboy now? That really helps you sound intelligent.

It looks like Kender answered my question for me. But of course now that we have a percentage, you guys are going to debate if the foundations and research organizations are worthwhile because you guys know everything. I doubt a single one of you has even tried to create a quality foundation like livestrong, much less succeeded. You people always find something to complain about. I would gander that the actual dollar value that livestrong donates in one month to causes that pass your stringent requirements as being worthy will be more than you donate in your entire life.

What armstrong has accomplished personally is very impressive, the fact that he is also leading a very successful global initiative to help with cancer research and cancer awareness is more impressive. Is he an arrogant a$$? Yes. But who really cares and even if you do care, why does it cause you to hate the man? Most celebrity athletes have attitudes, but most don't compliment their accomplishments in a sport with such great accomplishments in charity.

BroDeal why don't you explain to us all why lance has driven you to such incessant hatred?
 
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thehog said:
Thanks for the link. Yes that’s a lot of programs to fund. Just looking into the LiveOn Program which requires an additional $675 for storage! errr where's the funding?

Hang I'll check the Stigma program:

"How will the campaign work?
The campaign seeks to raise awareness of the global cancer burden and reduce the stigma associated with cancer through culturally relevant and targeted messaging. Based on the level of stigma in-country and the need for accurate information, we will create a data-driven, evidence-based campaign that directly challenges negative perceptions or misinformation by collaborating with local organizations and media on the ground."

- Ok that errr sounds err great I guess but where does the money go? and how are they changing stigma? errrr does cancer really have a stigma?

ok what about the Global Cancer Summit in Dublin? Too bad only dignitaries are invited to that one and Lance was only there for 8 minute speech on day 1.

Don't insult me.

Some people seem to think if one gets cancer there is no other information out there other than Livestrong.

When you’re in hospital there are "rooms" to which the patient and their family are taken to which is filled with resources and information in regards to cancer. There resources are not built around celebrity but they are open, honest and real life factual evidence on cancer, the treatments and support networks.

Yes people who have cancer want support, they want to a lift and they want to believe in some form of divine intervention will save them. But being honest, open and realistic about the disease and allowing for normal routines to continue is the best approach. Filling people’s heads with fist pumping and wearing yellow NIKE trainers does not do anything. Believe me I know. Often it alienates them. In my experiences I’ve had to tell many people thanks for the flag waving but please this is not whats required. We love your support but cancer is very real it’s not climbing a mountain or scoring a touchdown. You see what gets in peoples heads from all of this?

Many times I've suggested to people who have been recently diagnosed with cancer or the family members of people who have beIen diagnosed to read Lance's first book: “It’s not about the bike”. The sections on his treatment are very real and very good account of what one will have to go through in regards to treatment. It was probably the last time Armstrong spoke humbly. But the image of the man turns many off. No one wants to be that way. They want to work through the treatment in private and with the support of their family and friends not with some crank who is skimming a buck of everything he does. Lance once knew cancer. He doesn't know it anymore.

If you want to see what a real organisation does read this link: http://www.mariecurie.org.uk/whatwedo/

One page will tell you that this is real:

Research commissioned by Marie Curie Cancer Care shows that 64 per cent of people would choose to die at home. In reality only 25 per cent achieve this.
Every year, Marie Curie Nurses make that wish possible for thousands of cancer patients in cities, towns and villages across the UK.
Marie Curie Nurses now care for around 50 per cent of all cancer patients who die at home. They work through the night or during the day to provide care for patients in the comfortable and familiar surroundings of their own home.
Our nurses are also there for families and carers - providing practical and emotional support at what can be an exhausting time. Marie Curie Nursing is always free of charge to patients and carers.


Believe me this *** makes a real difference not the “programs” you spout off about. Free. Its free. Support an organisation like this. Just compare to this website to Livestrong. It will change your view forever.

I see just as many donation requests on this site as livestrong. Oh yeah it looks like they are so different::rolleyes:
http://www.mariecurie.org.uk/events/

You need to realize that for any of these organizations to be successful they need money, that is the world we live in. But I believe all these organizations are good, some are better than others, but they should all be commended for trying to make a difference. It is asinine to paint Livestrong as evil.
 
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offbyone said:
You need to realize that for any of these organizations to be successful they need money, that is the world we live in. But I believe all these organizations are good, some are better than others, but they should all be commended for trying to make a difference. It is asinine to paint Livestrong as evil.

I doubt many of those organizations are run by someone who built a brand name on the corpses of people with cancer and then sold that brand name for personal profit.
 
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BroDeal said:
I doubt many of those organizations are run by someone who built a brand name on the corpses of people with cancer and then sold that brand name for personal profit.

where is your evidence he's taking the donation money? all i've seen you post is allegations
 
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Kender said:
where is your evidence he's taking the donation money? all i've seen you post is allegations

Learn to read better instead of making stuff up. I never said he was taking donation money. He cynically used cancer patients to build a brand name and then sold that brand name to Demand Media. In exchange he got a significant equity position in a company that intends to go public later this year.
 
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Kender said:
where is your evidence he's taking the donation money? all i've seen you post is allegations

Firstly, a very small percentage of the money raised by LiveStrong is used to support cancer research. This is important to remember. LiveStrong primarily supports advocacy. LiveStrong is not trying to cure cancer, but it has the potential to provide a support network for people with cancer. I personally have no problem with this, but others, including BroDeal, have had personal experiences with cancer and this is why I respect their opinions because they have greater insight into this disease than many of us.

Secondly, what evidence is there that LA has taken donations? I am personally offended that LA made his comeback in the name of increasing cancer awareness and personally pockets $1 million in appearance fees for racing the 2009 TDU and $2 million in appearance fees for racing the 2009 Giro d'Italia instead of donating the proceeds of his comeback to increase cancer awareness to the disease he his supposedly trying to raise awareness of. To me, that's hypocritical and is the same as taking donations.
 
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BroDeal said:
Learn to read better instead of making stuff up. I never said he was taking donation money. He cynically used cancer patients to build a brand name and then sold that brand name to Demand Media. In exchange he got a significant equity position in a company that intends to go public later this year.

What are you claiming "he" sold to Demand Media? The Livestrong branding rights?
 
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