Thomsena said:
That's basically why we play the competition - to see who's the best team in the world. And if you do worse than other teams you are clealy not a better team. That's pretty simple.
If Switzerland vs Spain was a knockout game they would not be world champions. Brazil lost as many games as Spain.
The world cup is not designed to find the best team, it exists to make a lot of money. Is the team that wins the EPL or the team that wins the fa cup the best team in England. What you are arguing is that its the team that wins the fa cup.
Yet another postulate without any evidence of being true what so ever. You'll find just as many dutch players in the best clubs in the world as you find brazilian.
Hollands defense is clearly weaker than Brazils i dont care who they play for.
Holland have top players like Schneider however its spelt and robben, but Brazil have more quality.
No they were difinately not. They did not impressed in any games bar the Chile match. They barely beat North Korea in the group stage. It's just rubbish to say that they were on the way to another world title when nothing really seemed to go that way - which it of course didn't.
Beating Cote divoir 3-1 was quite impressive, considering Ivory Coast were by far the top african team.
even if you take away the second goal, then you would also have to take away kakas sending off which weakened Brazil against Portugal.
Unlike Spain Brazil didnt lose a game in the group stages. They topped the group of death comfortably, then thrashed a Chille team that Spain just scraped past even though Chille played most of the game with 10 men and gave Spain their first goal in.
They were getting into their stride and were clearly the better team against Holland before that idiot went nuts. Thats why leagues decide rankings better than knockout games. 1 player goes awol in a match and your out for ever.
I ignored it on purpose couse it makes no sense at all. Why are we talking Inter - Barca now? And why are we talking Inter vs Spain defense!? I like that fact that you need to do a comparison with a totally different team (and it's even a club team!) Though there are several players in Barcelone who plays for the spanish international team it's two very different teams which really can't be compared to eachother. To different trainers with different mind set and a different view on how to run things.
Why do i not compare Brazil vs Spain in a Brazil vs Spain match. Umm maybe because they havent met in a world cup in some time.
You seem to miss my point completely. I dont say Barca vs Inter proves Brazil could win.
You ask why i think Brazil could outmuscle Spain and i point you to a match where a small team containing Spains entire midfield and its centre backs and play very similar football to spain, failed to get past a big team which contained Brazils goalkeeper, main defender and right back.
How would a team that got a bare 2 goals past 10 man chile, 2 past Honduras, 0 past Switzerland, 0 legit past Portugal and 1 past Paraguay, get past a defense that puts all those teams to shame?
Oh wait, but after extra time they got 1 past Holland (who had they had Brazils strike force could have won the game by then) and Holland beat Brazil after a lot of luck and a midfielder going rogue.
Yes that proves beyond doubt that a Spain team would with ease beat a Brazil team.
The fact that Spain is defending champions in both the two most prestigious championships - what more can they possibly do?!
Theres nothing more they can do. There is no international league, so they cant. The fact that they won the world cup does not convince me they are the best.
Is Cadel Evans the best Gt rider because he just won the Tour?
If the referee was better they might not have even beaten Portugal. Luck played a part in their win. Brazil were never at the euro championships so i dont care if they won it or not.
Its tough to argue that a team that wins a knockout where referee decisions come into play, and they only have to face 2 good teams in the whole tournament, both of which they scrape past, is the best. .