The real Tennis thread.

[Cookster15]

I would have thought that was obvious to absolutely everyone by now.

What do you think is obvious? Vaccination does not prevent transmission of covid-19. Check out the current omicron case explosion whilst nearly every adult is fully vaccinated.

 

[BigCoward]

What do you think is obvious? Vaccination does not prevent transmission of covid-19. Check out the current omicron case explosion whilst nearly every adult is fully vaccinated.

It reduces the chance of transmission, both of you catching it, and you passing it on to others. Think of it as a marginal gain.
it really should have penetrated even the thickest of heads by now.

 

[Cookster15]

It reduces the chance of transmission, both of you catching it, and you passing it on to others. Think of it as a marginal gain.
it really should have penetrated even the thickest of heads by now.

Sorry but you are simply wrong. Vaccination hardly reduces transmission at all and I gave a current example that proves me right. Please check what is happening rather than repeat mistruth. No need to be rude either. I am fully vaccinated.

Vaccination keeps us out of hospitals and ICUs.

EDIT: Djokovic is a risk to himself only. Even then he's had the virus already so he is likely less chance of occupying a hospital bed whilst in Australia than any fully vaccinated person. The rule is the problem here.

 

[BigCoward]

Sorry but you are simply wrong. Vaccination hardly reduces transmission at all and I gave a current example that proves me right. Please check what is happening rather than repeat mistruth. No need to be rude either. I am fully vaccinated.

Vaccination keeps us out of hospitals and ICUs.

EDIT: Djokovic is a risk to himself only. Even then he's had the virus already so he is likely less chance of occupying a hospital bed whilst in Australia than any fully vaccinated person. The rule is the problem here.

Do you understand the power of compound interest?

 

[Cookster15]

Do you understand the power of compound interest?

Yes. But that’s irrelevant. Please address my point. I am being polite to you. Maybe take a look at Australia’s stats- cases are skyrocketing despite a nearly fully vaccinated population. Vaccination keeps us out of hospital. In Djokovic’s case he’s been infected before. He is no risk to anyone but himself and even then less risk of occupying an Australian hospital bed than everyone vaccinated who hasn’t been infected. This is what the science says.

 

[BigCoward]

Yes. But that’s irrelevant. Please address my point. I am being polite to you. Maybe take a look at Australia’s stats- cases are skyrocketing despite a nearly fully vaccination population. Vaccination keeps us out of hospital. In Djokovic’s case he’s been infected before. He is no risk to anyone but himself and even then less risk than everyone vaccinated who hasn’t been infected.

They would skyrocket more without vaccination. It really is not complicated.

 

[Cookster15]

They would skyrocket more without vaccination. It really is not complicated.

The difference is negligible. That's what the science says based upon current data.

ps - rude again.

 

[BigCoward]

The difference is negligible. That's what the science says based upon current data.

ps - rude again.

Compound interest again. And that isn't what science says.
Also think of all the cancer etc patients not getting treatment because of selfish dummies taking up hospital beds and medical staff time.

 

[Cookster15]

Compound interest again. And that isn't what science says.
Also think of all the cancer etc patients not getting treatment vecause of selfish dummies taking up hospital beds and medical staff time.

Which is irrelevant to this matter. Why does it need to be explained? I gave you a current scenario which backs up what I am saying. Oh and I agree he’s a selfish dummy - but. Have a nice day.

 

[Red Rick]

The state of the epidemic, as well as the efficacy of vaccinations are frankly completely irrelevant here.

 

[tobydawq]

The state of the epidemic, as well as the efficacy of vaccinations are frankly completely irrelevant here.

Is it?

If one has a liking for rules to make sense, there is no real reason why he shouldn't be allowed in. If one ignores whether or not a rule makes sense, he should not be allowed in.

 

[yaco]

The bigger picture with the Australian Open is that it has been an unwelcoming environment in the last two years - Lots of negative media along with poor public sentiment, especially in Victoria - During this time there have two French and two US Opens and one edition of Wimbledon in which there has far more public and media support. Djokovic's level of unpopularity in Australia is extraordinary, compared to the other GT slam countries - Australia can be a strange country at times.

 

[Cookster15]

The bigger picture with the Australian Open is that it has been an unwelcoming environment in the last two years - Lots of negative media along with poor public sentiment, especially in Victoria - During this time there have two French and two US Opens and one edition of Wimbledon in which there has far more public and media support. Djokovic's level of unpopularity in Australia is extraordinary, compared to the other GT slam countries - Australia can be a strange country at times.

Australia is a wonderful country. But don’t paint the entire country based upon the actions of a few. On Djokovic he is a victim of the pandemic of the last two years and a certain paranoia. The Covid thread has plenty who cry the end is nigh and we should stop living. It is the same mindset that is causing issues at the Australian Open. That mindset doesn’t just prevail down under.

 

[Red Rick]

Is it?

If one has a liking for rules to make sense, there is no real reason why he shouldn't be allowed in. If one ignores whether or not a rule makes sense, he should not be allowed in.

Australia has a country can allow whoever they want in the country based on rules and laws they make themselves. This is not a case of whether Djokovic is a public health risk, it's a case about whether or not he entered the country illegally and it looks like he did. That is not to say Tennis Australia or the Aussie government didn't have their share in the clusterfuck, but it looks like they shouldn't have let Djokovic in in the first place.

It's really insane but it's started to look like a precedent case for immigration law basically. The fact that objectively speaking the public health risk of him entering the country is not a blip on the radar doesn't matter.

 

[yaco]

Australia is a wonderful country. But don’t paint the entire country based upon the actions of a few. On Djokovic he is a victim of the pandemic of the last two years and a certain paranoia. The Covid thread has plenty who cry the end is nigh and we should stop living. It is the same mindset that is causing issues at the Australian Open. That mindset doesn’t just prevail down under.

I am not disputing that Australia is a wonderful country, myself being an Australian citizen. However you can't deny the last two editions of the Australian Open has been a far from hospitable environment and one could even argue a hostile environment - One can only hope the environment improves for the F1 race in April.

 

[yaco]

Australia has a country can allow whoever they want in the country based on rules and laws they make themselves. This is not a case of whether Djokovic is a public health risk, it's a case about whether or not he entered the country illegally and it looks like he did. That is not to say Tennis Australia or the Aussie government didn't have their share in the clusterfuck, but it looks like they shouldn't have let Djokovic in in the first place.

It's really insane but it's started to look like a precedent case for immigration law basically. The fact that objectively speaking the public health risk of him entering the country is not a blip on the radar doesn't matter.

Are you aware that two other players/officials entered Australia under the same medical exemption as Djokovic with no denial from Border Control ? - After the Djokovic fiasco they then had their visas cancelled - It doesn't help they sent Djokovic to a hotel/detention centre in which they've had refugees locked up for up to nine years

 

[Cookster15]

I am not disputing that Australia is a wonderful country, myself being an Australian citizen. However you can't deny the last two editions of the Australian Open has been a far from hospitable environment and one could even argue a hostile environment - One can only hope the environment improves for the F1 race in April.

Like I said there is a level of paranoia about Covid in Australia. But to describe Australia as a “hostile” environment is hyperbole. But you have raised a good point regarding the other Grand Slams. America, France and Britain managed, what’s our problem? As an Australian I find it embarrassing but as Red Rick posted yesterday there are faults all round in the Djokovic case.

 

[BigCoward]

He won his case. Wonder how the crowd will react to him?

 

[gregrowlerson]

Djokovic has always been the best player ever at keeping himself in the point when you think he's out of it.

This is possibly his best return of an 'unplayable' yet.

 

[BullsFan22]

LOL. He said he was positive on the 17th of December. During that time he was at a kids event giving out trophies, no masks. Why was he not in quarantine then? Why risk others health by showing up to a public event when you literally just tested positive? He thinks that rules don’t apply to him. His father is the worst though, coming up with some ridiculous statements, not just during this whole circus, but throughout Djokovic’s career.

I am not surprised he ‘won’ the case. I had a strong feeling he would win. He’s too big to fail. If this were a lower ranked player, he/she would have been sent home immediately. The Australians showing their bellies in the end. No backbone.

 

[gregrowlerson]

This rally may not have finished yet. Djokovic could still have his visa cancelled again if minister overturns the judges decision.

 

[BullsFan22]

I hope it gets overturned, but I don’t think it will. You can’t have different rules for celebrities. As I said, Djokovic was positive last month, yet was freely walking out and with no mask on, taking part in a kids event. Wonder how the public reacts during his matches. And how will other players react, especially those that have to play him?

 

[tobydawq]

But doesn't recovery from a positive test value as much as a full vaccine? And isn't that why he has been let in after all? I don't see them overturning the decision.

Also, his public appearances after having tested positive are probably punishable but certainly not by preventing him access to Australia.

Also, why is it important that it was a kids' event? Kids are less likely to get sick from the virus so it's not really something that emphasises the badness of his behaviour.

 

[BullsFan22]

But doesn't recovery from a positive test value as much as a full vaccine? And isn't that why he has been let in after all? I don't see them overturning the decision.

Also, his public appearances after having tested positive are probably punishable but certainly not by preventing him access to Australia.

Also, why is it important that it was a kids' event? Kids are less likely to get sick from the virus so it's not really something that emphasises the badness of his behaviour.

Because there seems to be different rules for celebrities. And Serbia won’t do anything to Djokovic, no matter what he does, whether it’s COVID measures or something totally unrelated.

And where did you get the information that kids are less likely to get sick? Why then were schools shut down and masks necessary when finally opened? What’s the point of vaccines, quarantine measures, distancing, masks, PCR tests if the rules won’t apply to everyone? When I arrived home last in March 2020, when measures were first introduced, I had to stay at home for 4 weeks, and the authorities would call my home every day for those 4 weeks to check on my whereabouts. I didn’t agree with those measures, not do I agree with a lot of the measures being practiced now, but I still have to follow them otherwise I would need to pay a relatively hefty fine.

I blame the Djokovic camp and the Australian government for making a meal out of this.

 

[tobydawq]

Because there seems to be different rules for celebrities. And Serbia won’t do anything to Djokovic, no matter what he does, whether it’s COVID measures or something totally unrelated.

And where did you get the information that kids are less likely to get sick? Why then were schools shut down and masks necessary when finally opened? What’s the point of vaccines, quarantine measures, distancing, masks, PCR tests if the rules won’t apply to everyone? When I arrived home last in March 2020, when measures were first introduced, I had to stay at home for 4 weeks, and the authorities would call my home every day for those 4 weeks to check on my whereabouts. I didn’t agree with those measures, not do I agree with a lot of the measures being practiced now, but I still have to follow them otherwise I would need to pay a relatively hefty fine.

I blame the Djokovic camp and the Australian government for making a meal out of this.

I really don't know what the point of many of the measures are.

But they're there, and Djokovic will probably also have to pay a fine. But not being allowed to leave the country is probably not the punishment for the offense that he has committed.

And of course Serbia is protecting Djokovic, why shouldn't they? He is a national treasure, borderline royalty, it's a bit silly to assume (or think there's anything wrong with) he would be treated the same way as anybody else.