Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[AmRacer]

Can you provide any source for that claim?

Re-watch last year's Tour and you'll see Rogla in Paris

 

[Berniece]

Rogla already rode in supporting role on when Pogi was beaten at the Tour so your remark is unfounded. As for RBH not offering Rogla co-leadership for the Tour, we'll see on how that one goes.

Ah yes, and then he left instead of helping Vingegaard

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Berniece

Remco praised the approach, though, when sitting together on a stage with Rogla.

@AmRacer

I see no source at all it's basically just your opinion. As such i can accept it and as for what the future really brings, we'll see.

 

[Berniece]

@Berniece

Remco praised the approach, though, when sitting together on a stage with Rogla.

First of all. Just because Remco thinks something is good or bad, doesn't mean I share that opinion. I'm not an AI bot made by the Evenepoel entourage to agree on forums with everything he says in interviews. They don't have that insecurity like UAE does.

Besides that. I don't disagree with the approach of the duo attack. I disagree with him abandoning the race later. Which Evenepoel didn't discuss at all.

 

[CyclistAbi]

First of all. Just because Remco thinks something is good or bad, doesn't mean I share that opinion.

Actually, in this latest debates you tried to dispute my both "major" claims until i pointed out it's Remco that has such opinions. Then you did change your mind and sided with Remco easily. The same for example happened with @red_flanders, he even went as far to argue about semantics. On how the same thing one can agree with and not to agree with based on what you would like the outcome to be. Painting some artificial difference. Shamelessly.

Note that i don't hold it against you guys.

Besides that. I don't disagree with the approach of the duo attack. I disagree with him abandoning the race later. Which Evenepoel didn't discuss at all.

I am sure that Remco would be fine with it, being in such position.

 

[Berniece]

Actually, in this latest debates you tried to dispute my both "major" claims until i pointed out it's Remco that has such opinions. Then you did change your mind and sided with Remco easily. The same for example happened with @red_flanders, he even went as far to argue about semantics. On how the same thing one can agree with and not to agree with based on what you would like the outcome to be. Painting some artificial difference. Shamelessly.

Note that i don't hold it against you guys.



I am sure that Remco would be fine with it, being in such position.

I'm ignoring you since you don't put in any effort to see something from a different perspective. Cheers, I hope Roglic wins the Vuelta.

 

[red_flanders]

Actually, in this latest debates you tried to dispute my both "major" claims until i pointed out it's Remco that has such opinions. Then you did change your mind and sided with Remco easily. The same for example happened with @red_flanders, he even went as far to argue about semantics. On how the same thing one can agree with and not to agree with based on what you would like the outcome to be. Painting some artificial difference. Shamelessly.

Note that i don't hold it against you guys.



I am sure that Remco would be fine with it, being in such position.

Quote where I did that. I’ll wait.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Moderator:
Guys, how about we discuss cycling, not opinions of each other?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ah yes, and then he left instead of helping Vingegaard

Or you could say Roglic crashed really hard on stage 14 and couldn't start the next day due to his injuries, if you didn't want to sound like a hater.

 

[AmRacer]

@Berniece

Remco praised the approach, though, when sitting together on a stage with Rogla.

@AmRacer

I see no source at all it's basically just your opinion. As such i can accept it and as for what the future really brings, we'll see.

It was live on telly.

 

[Berniece]

Or you could say Roglic crashed really hard on stage 14 and couldn't start the next day due to his injuries, if you didn't want to sound like a hater.

He looked extremely injured, which is why he was able to ride away with Pogacar and Vingegaard and could keep attacking

 

[Red Rick]

He looked extremely injured, which is why he was able to ride away with Pogacar and Vingegaard and could keep attacking

Peak Roglic just hits differently

 

[Cycling111]

Roglic didn't even win Pogacar's debut Tour; Pogacar in the 2021 Tour was already far superior to the one in 2020. He wouldn't have had any chances in the following ones. It's self-deception to make him the moral winner of those Tours.

Some even believe he could have fought for the 2023 Tour de France, although he won the Giro d'Italia with little margin against G. Thomas and Jumbo clearly relegated him in hierarchy in favor to Vingegaard who went as the sole leader to the Tour.
If they believe that, it's normal that they believe he would have won the previous ones.

 

[acm]

He looked extremely injured, which is why he was able to ride away with Pogacar and Vingegaard and could keep attacking

He was so injured that he needed help getting on and off the bike, fyi. Not everyone gives up as quickly as Evenepoel.

 

[Berniece]

He was so injured that he needed help getting on and off the bike, fyi. Not everyone gives up as quickly as Evenepoel.

Like Evenepoel in the Vuelta of 2022? He pushed on though

 

[AmRacer]

Like Evenepoel in the Vuelta of 2022? He pushed on though

More like Remco Lombardia 2020

 

[RedheadDane]

More like Remco Lombardia 2020

Remco Lombardia wasn't really "giving up"...

 

[acm]

Like Evenepoel in the Vuelta of 2022? He pushed on though

Oh man, that's not even worth mentioning.

 

[Berniece]

Oh man, that's not even worth mentioning.

You are the one saying Roglic needed help getting off the bike. I’m saying so did Evenepoel.

Roglic stopped racing to try and win the Vuelta. He could have kept riding to help Vingegaard but didn’t want to. All of this is fine, but say it the way it is. Don’t try to point it to injuries, it’s because he rather prepares for personal victory at the Vuelta than help a teammate win TDF.

 

[Oldman]

Can you provide any source for that claim?

The way Roglic rode the last lap of the final stage: it was a fond farewell to many people who wished him a win. We can't know what circumstances would have him ride 3 weeks in support when there are races he'd still like to win.

 

[YavorD]

You are the one saying Roglic needed help getting off the bike. I’m saying so did Evenepoel.

Roglic stopped racing to try and win the Vuelta. He could have kept riding to help Vingegaard but didn’t want to. All of this is fine, but say it the way it is. Don’t try to point it to injuries, it’s because he rather prepares for personal victory at the Vuelta than help a teammate win TDF.

Well, he still helped Vingegaard massively to gain a crucial gap. Which I'm not sure it would happen without Roglic's attacks.

 

[Oldman]

You are the one saying Roglic needed help getting off the bike. I’m saying so did Evenepoel.

Roglic stopped racing to try and win the Vuelta. He could have kept riding to help Vingegaard but didn’t want to. All of this is fine, but say it the way it is. Don’t try to point it to injuries, it’s because he rather prepares for personal victory at the Vuelta than help a teammate win TDF.

The way JV treated him at the Tour Jonas won sent a strong message to him: take care of your own business. He did everything he could to help Jonas win that Tour with little thanks. JV followed up with the Sepp Kuss debacle.

 

[acm]

You are the one saying Roglic needed help getting off the bike. I’m saying so did Evenepoel.

Roglic stopped racing to try and win the Vuelta. He could have kept riding to help Vingegaard but didn’t want to. All of this is fine, but say it the way it is. Don’t try to point it to injuries, it’s because he rather prepares for personal victory at the Vuelta than help a teammate win TDF.

He did help a teammate win TdF with dislocated shoulder and two fractured vertebras. Say it the way it is. It's a joke comparing Remco's hip abrasion at the Vuelta 22' with this.

 

[Berniece]

He did help a teammate win TdF with dislocated shoulder and two fractured vertebras. Say it the way it is. It's a joke comparing Remco's hip abrasion at the Vuelta 22' with this.

You made the comparison, not me. I’m saying Roglic could have done more for Vingegaard but chose himself. In reward the gods of cycling made him crash into Wright.

 

[acm]

You made the comparison, not me. I’m saying Roglic could have done more for Vingegaard but chose himself. In reward the gods of cycling made him crash into Wright.

No, I didn't make a comparison with Vuelta 22'. And what else could he do for Jonas, hold his hand until the end of the race? They cracked Pogačar together, that's it. I will not stoop to such a low level as you did with your last sentence.