Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Valv.Piti]

He apparently cared enough to have his teammates ride like savages in the rain to close Rog down.

Serves him right that that Arensman won the stage.

Bro, you know damn well that had nothing to do with Roglic. Please....

 

[Rackham]

Bro, you know damn well that had nothing to do with Roglic. Please....

Who cares? When the leader puts his team to work over a couple of cols and in the valley to chase down a breakaway rider and then he loses the stage anyway - especially versus a weaker climber like Arensman - it's funny!

A real tactical muck up to finish the Tour's mountain stages on a high note.

 

[pastronef]

You know, when it's deemed mou's brigade doesn't represent Pog's fanbase I think we can also lay off categorizing the moms for Rogla social media bunch as representative of Rog fans. Don't you think?

I like Lipowitz for what it's worth and I think he did really well to secure his first TdF podium.

yes, I was just being funny. dear me those mums should behave like Rogla, take it easy, breath, smile and go on with life. what were they hoping for, for him to get the podium?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Who cares? When the leader puts his team to work over a couple of cols and in the valley to chase down a breakaway rider and then he loses the stage anyway - especially versus a weaker climber like Arensman - it's funny!

A real tactical muck up to finish the Tour's mountain stages on a high note.

You just made it sound like UAE mowed him down because he's Roglic. It was obvious from the first km that UAE wanted this race. And what is UAE gonna do tomorrow anyways? Of course they are gonna gonna try..

Pog will be initially disappointed, but who cares. At least Jonas didn't win.

 

[Rackham]

yes, I was just being funny. dear me those mums should behave like Rogla, take it easy, breath, smile and go on with life. what were they hoping for, for him to get the podium?

I think anyone who makes a big issue out of Rog's final placing in this Tour or his result today is sort of in denial about 2020.

It doesn't get closer - or worse - than that. No amount of podium or stage wins was going to fix that either. So really it was just about Rog having some fun and trying to enjoy racing the TdF for the first time in five years.

You just made it sound like UAE mowed him down because he's Roglic. It was obvious from the first km that UAE wanted this race. And what is UAE gonna do tomorrow anyways? Of course they are gonna gonna try..

Pog will be initially disappointed, but who cares. At least Jonas didn't win.

Respectfully I do disagree to a certain extent here, i.e. chasing down Rog so hard before the final climb was a tactical disasterclass. It made no sense to bring him back so early. All UAE had to do was set a steady tempo - or allow Picnic PostNL or Decathlon to chase - and voilà, job done. Rog with 2 minutes on la Plagne was still going to get caught.

By bringing him back they simply opened the race up.

 

[Berniece]

Because he let it slide.

If anyone actually legitimately thinks Rog went all-in at the end to protect 5th in GC, I don't know what to say.

I think it had more to do with being in the attack the whole day, specifically for that stage win. He was in the attack for +50km's, big part of it alone too. I think he was also drained eventually, which makes complete sense after such a day on top of yesterday's efforts.

 

[TrekCyclist]

Hope RB considers carefully before signing Evenepoel.
Sure he is a good rider and will bring some wins.
But really not sure whether he would be good for the internal team dynamics / mood.
Especially if he would have one rider in front of him regarding GT leadership (which seems not unlikely given the potential shown by Lipowitz). Beeing no. 2 for GTs is probably also not what Evenepoel is looking for tbh.

So another solution would probably be best for both sides.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

I hope they do sign Remco and add him to the mix, I miss the Movistar trident.

 

[SafeBet]

Sure he is a good rider and will bring some wins.

Good rider is a bit of an understatement.
Palmares wise he's miles ahead anyone not called Roglic in the team.

 

[Salvarani]

Good rider is a bit of an understatement.
Palmares wise he's miles ahead anyone not called Roglic in the team.

If he delivers and shows he is the best, others will fall in line on the team.

Problems arise if one is not much better than others but still has demands... thats when personalities and egos could potentially clash.

 

[SafeBet]

If he delivers and shows he is the best, others will fall in line on the team.

Problems arise if one is not much better than others but still has demands... thats when personalities and egos could potentially clash.

Apart from the TdF (which shouldn't necessarily be a goal for Lipowitz next year since he looks like a possible Giro winner, but ok), in what other races do you envision leadership issues?

One week stage races? I guess there's room for everybody and it's not like they are main goals for anybody, maybe Tour de Suisse for Roglic.

Classics? Remco gives you a shot at the win / podium in LBL, Lombardia, AGR, San Sebastian...
Red Bull's most recent wins in one day races are the Copenhagen Sprint in 2025 and the GP Wallonie in 2024. That's it for the past 2 seasons.

 

[Salvarani]

Apart from the TdF (which shouldn't necessarily be a goal for Lipowitz next year since he looks like a possible Giro winner, but ok), in what other races do you envision leadership issues?

One week stage races? I guess there's room for everybody and it's not like they are main goals for anybody, maybe Tour de Suisse for Roglic.

Classics? Remco gives you a shot at the win / podium in LBL, Lombardia, AGR, San Sebastian...
Red Bull's most recent wins in one day races are the Copenhagen Sprint in 2025 and the GP Wallonie in 2024. That's it for the past 2 seasons.

I think TrekCyclist just brought up a good point about team chemistry and dynamics. His situation at Soudal has been undisputed leadership and feeling at home since the beginning.

We have seen questionable behavior when things havent gone as he wants though.

I just wouldnt be surprised if things dont go smoothly.

On the other, he may need a new environment to improve and motivate himself again. A new chapter. Maybe it will be what he needs and it works out perfectly.

 

[Red Rick]

I see one big problem with signing Evenepoel and that's if you explicitly sign him with the sole aim of winning the Tour de France. Because he's as good as he is outside of GTs, you have to pay him an outsized amount for what he's previously delivered in the Tour.

 

[kingjr]

If Evenepoel joins RBH, Lipowitz should leave. He's good enough to get sole leadership at the Tour, which he's never going to get in a team with Remco.

 

[pastronef]

If Evenepoel joins RBH, Lipowitz should leave. He's good enough to get sole leadership at the Tour, which he's never going to get in a team with Remco.

problems is, do we know until when Lipowitz signed? procyclingstats has him until 2025 (but we know Bora doesnt give much details)

 

[kingjr]

problems is, do we know until when Lipowitz signed? procyclingstats has him until 2025 (but we know Bora doesnt give much details)

I certainly don't know. But if it's a question of 2025 or 2026, I don't really think it matters. You could send Lipowitz to the Giro and Vuelta next year, for instance, the only problem with that would be the German media.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I certainly don't know. But if it's a question of 2025 or 2026, I don't really think it matters. You could send Lipowitz to the Giro and Vuelta next year, for instance, the only problem with that would be the German media.

Do RB really care that much about the German media?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Lipo is not going to leave Redbull. German cyclists are important for them. May I remind people Bora is german?

 

[Filippo_3467]

Do RB really care that much about the German media?

Yes. But also they care about having goodm GC riders and remco alone won't cut it so they need Lipo and Pelizarrio to have someones for the podium in all three GTs. Hindley and Vlasov are done. Martinez never that good just lucky with that one Giro.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Filippo_3467

Well, RBH can always send sprinters and kids on the loose to the Tour so they don't need so much GC riders.

 

[Berniece]

I see one big problem with signing Evenepoel and that's if you explicitly sign him with the sole aim of winning the Tour de France. Because he's as good as he is outside of GTs, you have to pay him an outsized amount for what he's previously delivered in the Tour.

Aren’t you just going to give him what a MVDP would earn? 4-5M?

 

[geisterhome]

I see one big problem with signing Evenepoel and that's if you explicitly sign him with the sole aim of winning the Tour de France. Because he's as good as he is outside of GTs, you have to pay him an outsized amount for what he's previously delivered in the Tour.

I dont get why u sign Remco to win the tour, thats one of the races he is least likely to win.. bring him in to win a ton of classics and whatever else comes his way. They already signed Roglic to win the TDF, didnt they, already then i thought that this was beyond unrealistic, Bring him in to win more than anyone else on the team but the TDF against Vingegaard and Pogacar....

 

[Red Rick]

I dont get why u sign Remco to win the tour, thats one of the races he is least likely to win.. bring him in to win a ton of classics and whatever else comes his way. They already signed Roglic to win the TDF, didnt they, already then i thought that this was beyond unrealistic, Bring him in to win more than anyone else on the team but the TDF against Vingegaard and Pogacar....

I see Roglic more as a signing to put yourself on the map rather than outright winning the Tour. Also he's a demanding rider that behind the scenes will raise the standards of training, staff, etc.

 

[kingjr]

I dont get why u sign Remco to win the tour, thats one of the races he is least likely to win.. bring him in to win a ton of classics and whatever else comes his way. They already signed Roglic to win the TDF, didnt they, already then i thought that this was beyond unrealistic, Bring him in to win more than anyone else on the team but the TDF against Vingegaard and Pogacar....

I don't think a team should adopt a defeatist mindset like that

 

[Berniece]

I dont get why u sign Remco to win the tour, thats one of the races he is least likely to win.. bring him in to win a ton of classics and whatever else comes his way. They already signed Roglic to win the TDF, didnt they, already then i thought that this was beyond unrealistic, Bring him in to win more than anyone else on the team but the TDF against Vingegaard and Pogacar....

So who should they sign to win the TDF? He’s the closest they can get.