Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Berniece]

Bora for the tour:
Roglic
Hindley
Vlasov
Martinez
Sobrero
Denz
Danny van Poppel
Kämna (he will also go for the Giro GC)

Good luck keeping everyone in check with this team. Roglic and Vlasov are known to ride for themselves, and I can imagine Hindley expecting a free roll himself.

 

[Remy55]

Good luck keeping everyone in check with this team. Roglic and Vlasov are known to ride for themselves, and I can imagine Hindley expecting a free roll himself.

Nope, Aldag even said they are all domestiques for Roglic.

 

[gerundium]

if everyone gets in line to support roglic that team looks crazy strong.

 

[Earns1985]

Visma-LAB with the worst climbing team of the big three.

That´s true.

 

[Berniece]

Nope, Aldag even said they are all domestiques for Roglic.

Wow, good for him to immediately put everyone straight. Crazy that some of them agreed to it though. If I was Hindley I would prefer to go for the Giro/Vuelta instead of domestique in the Tour.

 

[joseph89]

Unless they've extended Vlasov, the likelihood of him going rogue is high aka Ayuso level high 😂

 

[Froome]

Visma-LAB with the worst climbing team of the big three.

Visma LAB can go with a better climbing team, it's they're option going like that.

Bora and emirates will have some problems because of the ego of some riders.

 

[Rackham]

Bora for the tour:
Roglic
Hindley
Vlasov
Martinez
Sobrero
Denz
Danny van Poppel
Kämna (he will also go for the Giro GC)

It's the new cycling of the 2020's.

Visma can't complain, i.e. it's what they did in 2022: throw everything but the kitchen sink at the Tour & against Pog. It worked.

Visma LAB can go with a better climbing team, it's they're option going like that.

Bora and emirates will have some problems because of the ego of some riders.

Not likely. They have new bosses, remember? Red Bull will want a display of force & unity.

 

[YavorD]

Visma-LAB with the worst climbing team of the big three.

To be honest, Kelderman and Kuss are pretty strong helpers. I mean, what's the use of Almeida if he rides 10 meters behind the group?
Considering that everyone in Visma knows his role, I'd still rate them as the best.

 

[Earns1985]

To be honest, Kelderman and Kuss are pretty strong helpers. I mean, what's the use of Almeida if he rides 10 meters behind the group?
Considering that everyone in Visma knows his role, I'd still rate them as the best.

Kelderman is not scheduled for the tour. He is scheduled for the giro.

That´s Visma´s tour team:

-BENOOT Tiesj
-JORGENSON Matteo
-KRUIJSWIJK Steven
-LAPORTE Christophe
TRATNIK Jan
-VAN BAARLE Dylan
-VINGEGAARD Jonas
-KUSS Sepp

 

[Berniece]

To be honest, Kelderman and Kuss are pretty strong helpers. I mean, what's the use of Almeida if he rides 10 meters behind the group?
Considering that everyone in Visma knows his role, I'd still rate them as the best.

What people seem to be missing is that Visma will put a pace for Vingegaard to follow. Not all their other riders. If Kelderman, and then Kuss go all out, there aren't many who can follow. And most of the people Bora brought to the Tour won't be in the front anymore.

They might try to play with a tactical advantage, but then what's the point of already saying that Roglic is the sole leader?

 

[Peter von]

Kelderman is not scheduled for the tour. He is scheduled for the giro.

That´s Visma´s tour team:

-BENOOT Tiesj
-JORGENSON Matteo
-KRUIJSWIJK Steven
-LAPORTE Christophe
TRATNIK Jan
-VAN BAARLE Dylan
-VINGEGAARD Jonas
-KUSS Sepp

reading down the list, thinking uh, maybe they are a bit light in the mountains... KUSS!, yeah allright, they're stacked .

 

[Wyndbrook]

Good luck keeping everyone in check with this team. Roglic and Vlasov are known to ride for themselves, and I can imagine Hindley expecting a free roll himself.

Oh goody, shades of Hinault and Lemond perhaps.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Kelderman is not scheduled for the tour. He is scheduled for the giro.

That´s Visma´s tour team:

-BENOOT Tiesj
-JORGENSON Matteo
-KRUIJSWIJK Steven
-LAPORTE Christophe
TRATNIK Jan
-VAN BAARLE Dylan
-VINGEGAARD Jonas
-KUSS Sepp

At least one of those riders probably won't be on the team in the end though.

 

[Gargamel35]

It really doesn't matter which guys are riding with Jonas, Primož, Pogačar or Remco. At the end, there will probably be no one else left (except Kuss) and they'll decide between themselves.

 

[YavorD]

Kelderman is not scheduled for the tour. He is scheduled for the giro.

That´s Visma´s tour team:

-BENOOT Tiesj
-JORGENSON Matteo
-KRUIJSWIJK Steven
-LAPORTE Christophe
TRATNIK Jan
-VAN BAARLE Dylan
-VINGEGAARD Jonas
-KUSS Sepp

Ooh, so I mixed Kruijswijk with Kelderman, sorry.
Anyway if he is at his best (there's question mark on that as he'll be 37 and when was his last good climbing performance?) he can be as good domestique as Kelderman.

 

[Froome]

It's the new cycling of the 2020's.

Visma can't complain, i.e. it's what they did in 2022: throw everything but the kitchen sink at the Tour & against Pog. It worked.



Not likely. They have new bosses, remember? Red Bull will want a display of force & unity.

Visma could go with a better climbing team, but it's they're choice not to go.

I don't believe Kruijswijk can climb like in his prime days, they should had go with kelderman with a proper preparation for the Tour, but Visma probably knows better what he is doing than me......Vingegaard will be fine, i just think they are missing another proper climber, to make the race really hard for vingegaard attacks.

Going with Vlasov with will be a big mistake. Martinez is a reliable domestique, hindley, buchmann, kamna, ir more than enough to the mountains, they don’t need Vlasov.


Emirates will be a funny show when almeida, ayuso start to ride for themselves.

 

[scribers]

It really doesn't matter which guys are riding with Jonas, Primož, Pogačar or Remco. At the end, there will probably be no one else left (except Kuss) and they'll decide between themselves.

Kuss at the vuelta shows why it matters. You can make a strong argument this element alone broke pretenders from other teams

 

[Berniece]

Kuss at the vuelta shows why it matters. You can make a strong argument this element alone broke pretenders from other teams

Sure, but not when you start by saying Roglic is the sole leader.

 

[Gargamel35]

They said all is in for a GC, where Roglič is the captain. No sprinter or any other goals are set for TdF. But if anyone else from Bora (Vlasov was mentioned) would be close enough, he could be used in different tactics. That leaves open options (Kuss scenario, etc.).

 

[Froome]

They said all is in for a GC, where Roglič is the captain. No sprinter or any other goals are set for TdF. But if anyone else from Bora (Vlasov was mentioned) would be close enough, he could be used in different tactics. That leaves open options (Kuss scenario, etc.).

Or maybe they will try to do the tatics of Sky in his prime days, using hindley, vlasov, martinez kamna as a train to neutralise the race and then in the last Km launching roglic to make the difference with his final acceleration.

 

[Elos Anjos]

2021 Martinez can deliver monster climbing performances.

 

[Faserr]

Why do you think Vlasov does only ride for himself? Because of the Uijtdebroeks saga? I personally don't think Vlasov was the problem at the Vuelta. Uijtdebroeks didn't fit in the team dynamics which can happen. Vlasov doesn't have a problem with Bora.

I still think Bora can offer Hindley and Vlasov a lot of money if they do a good job at the tour. The budget will increase in 2025 and both can still top 5 at the Tour de France if they are really really fit.

 

[Remy55]

Planned for Giro:

Kämna
Martinez
Buchmann
Zwiehof
Welsford

 

[Froome]

2021 Martinez can deliver monster climbing performances.

What monster climbing performances did Martinez in 2021?