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In terms of GT racing and by the end of 2025 season RBH should be considered a top 3 team, even before signing Remco. What is to commend is not only more experienced riders took podium positions or won it altogether, it's youngsters that are doing great too.

So objectively speaking, whatever they where doing, that was good job being done and things went in the right direction.
 
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There is another interview today, same tone, https://www.wielerflits.be/nieuws/s...e-rol-hij-bij-red-bull-bora-hansgrohe-krijgt/

Sven should respond by telling the truth. He was signed as an Ass. Sporting Director, it is on his contract when he signed it. He has nothing to do with Management of the team, nothing with the Performance Department, Medical, Development project,
For him to say he doesnt know his position or others, is outright untruthful and in a Team and Organisation like this where people in their roles and positions are very capable and carry more experience than Sven, I can not believe they to happy reading this what he says.
So you are saying he hasn't been part of any performance meetings since he joined the team?
 
Pelli looks good. But there are too many good riders in Bora so he will have a hard time next year to lead a GT.
He can lead a GT if he is good enough. Before this year with Roglic, Hindley, Lipowitz, Vlasov and Martinez on the team people would have said the same.

He surpassed Vlasov and Martinez for sure and has become a GT leader in the two GTs he has ridden because of results.

Next year he might become part of a two (or three of Roglic Stays) captain strategy for RB at the Giro & Vuelta again. And that would be fine for him. The road can then decide what role he will have.
 
Yeah, two white jerseys this year and Finn knocking on the door and Remco coming in…is quite a GT Aqua for the Next years. If it is good enough for Pogi will be seen but otherwise they can keep up with anybody (even Visma as you see atm)
 
Next year he might become part of a two (or three of Roglic Stays) captain strategy for RB at the Giro & Vuelta again. And that would be fine for him. The road can then decide what role he will have.
Indeed, it's best to just let the road decide as long as everyone understands what they should do if they aren't the leader. I feel Roglic/Lipowitz and Hindley/Pellizari are already doing it properly. They don't attack each other, and try to help each other.
 
Indeed, it's best to just let the road decide as long as everyone understands what they should do if they aren't the leader. I feel Roglic/Lipowitz and Hindley/Pellizari are already doing it properly. They don't attack each other, and try to help each other.
I agree, for now RB are fine I think. They can send 2-3 guys to the Tour and it is very likely all of their captains can go for their individual classifications as they wont have to carry the race unless someone is better than Pogie/Vingo.

And for the Giro they can field a team that can carry the race should they have the strongest rider in the race. And if not they can allow all of their captain to chase a GC as well.
 
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The season is nearly over, lets see where RB Bora hansgrohe can improve in the next season.
But first what does improve mean? For me improvent would be: more UCI points, more wins (obvious points), developing the existing riders and get a deeper squad and as last point be competitive in one day races.

When it comes to stage races Bora did ok this year. Some very good races (Vuelta, Dauphine, Romandie), some good races (Giro, Tirreno), some ok races (Catalunya) some bad races (tour, Basque, Pologne and Renewi). Of course the Tour de France was a bad race and frustrating that this happens in the most important race, but thats sports. Bory needs to learn out of it and improve to do better next year.

When it comes to one day races Bora did an awful job this year. Just Jordi Meeus and Roger Adria did a good job. Why did the other riders not perform on one day races? I think there are several reasons. Riders that could perform well in (hilly/mountain) one day races had the full focus on stage racing (Roglic, Vlasov, Hindley) and were out of shape in the important one day races. Also was Kämna injured nearly the whole season. He would have been a great rider for heavy one day races. For sprint and classic style one day races Bora didn´t had the squad to perform well. Riders like Denz, Koch, Haller do better as domestiques, so Meeus was the only rider who was competitive in sprint and classic style races and he delivered very well. Welsford had a huge start but then disappeared nearly complete.

What can be done? The most obvious thing is transfers and I think Bora delivered here and adressed a lot of the weaknesses. But I don´t want to talk about the incoming and outgoing riders (I did this in previous posts). I want to talk about highlights and season structure for the existing riders. What can be done that they perform better?

For me a possible solution is to let the rider focus more on races as you did with the Grand Tour riders for Giro (Martinez) and Tour (whole Tour squad). Therefor on big step was to implement the U23 team. Bora can fill, in non world tour races, the gaps with U23 riders and do not have to start with less then seven riders (which happend quite often this year) and some riders do not have to jump from race to race.

For me this means, that riders who still can develope into riders that can win races and deliver results a clear plan needs to be set up (i´m not talking about the Koch, Zwiehoff and Palzer typ of riders).

1. Wandahl: Focus on heavy one day races like Amstel, LBL, Canada races, Bretagne Classic and of course some not so high ranked races. I have the feeling that Wandahl is often there when it gets deep into the race but then misses the last bit, maybe if he gets his first grand tour this can unlock the last bit. Giro or Vuelta would be good to start.

2. Hajek: He showed his potential this year and should take the next step. In my opinion this should be the leadership in smaller stage races (Sibiu tour, Czech Tour, Tour de Hongrie etc). I can see him podium in such races and maybe win a stage or two. And maybe in the Vuelta squad a spot is left (unlikely but maybe due to injury or stuff like that)

3. Herzog: First full year with the pros. He had his up and downs. Pretty promising start in the classics where he showed himself in the breaks, good Tour of Oman, top ten in Milano - Torino (with better tactics a podium would have been possible for him). I think he still needs to figure out what type of rider he is and where his strengths are. For me he is a classic rider that can also survive races with a lot of vertical meters. Due to his background in mountainbiking maybe races like strade Bianchi, Classica Jaen, Paris Tours could be on his list too. So full focus on the spring, ride the classics as domestique to gain experience in this races and also go for results on his own in "smaller" classics, maybe in races like Tro-Bro Léon, Classica Jaen etc. In the second half of the season give him again some stage races like Ethias Tour de Wallonie and Renewi Tour. For me the most important thing with Herzog is to give him some races where he can race for his own results. I have the feeling that he can be a winning rider, but to be a winning rider you need to able to compete for yourself. Because if you are always helping the other riders, you are not able to develop the key skill of winning - making good decisions in the last part of the race.

4. Lipowitz: Co-Leader in a grand tours. For me the best would be the Giro (of course it depends a little bit on the parcours), because if this is not working out he can still adjust for the rest of the season. To dos for the winter: he is good at time trialing but to be in the mix for a Top 5 in a grand tours he needs to improve some more here. Healthy of season and good preparation and I think he is in the mix for a top 5 at the Giro.

5. Adria: He suprised me a lot in the second half of the season. Even his results in the spring (Amstel etc) were promising. But i still don´t know what kind of rider he exactly is. But for me its sure that we should not make a GC rider out of him. I would prefer to develop him into a stage hunter and one day racer that can be a helpful domestique. The combination of a good sprint and the good climbing skills makes him a good fit for this role. Maybe a Hirschi type of rider?

These are the five riders out of the existing squad which I would develop.
Any opinions?
11 months ago I wrote that post. I think its time to see how wrong I was.

When I read the post, I feel that many of my takes can be nearly copied for 2025. Ok Grand Tours, ok stage races and awful one day races. There were several reasons for this and I don´t want to focus on these topics, at first I want to focus on the 5 riders I mentioned last year.

1. Wandahl: was supposed to ride a Grand Tour, was not selected for the Giro and got injured in Tour of Hungary, contract extension. Now he is back racing, maybe he can get some Top 10 results in the last races. 2026 just can get better for himself.

2. Hajek: He got a lot of race days, it felt a little bit that he was a rider that filled some gaps this year and jumped from race to race. He got Leadership in the Tour of Hungary and Czech Tour and did well in the Tour of Hungary, in the Czech tour I felt that he was not very well in shape and good prepared. He also did a lot of WT races. In the end a learning year without outstanding results. I have the feeling that he performed best in hilly races. Whats next in 2026? I´m honest, I don´t know. Maybe less race days than this year and a focused preparation for some races and a clear domestique role in bigger races?

3. Herzog: Also no outstanding results but some good results at the Tour of the Alps and Coppi e Bartali. I had the feeling as soon as he prepared and focused on a race he delivered well. In many other races we were not able to see him because he did his job in the early part of the races which were not broadcasted. He is still developing and I still don´t know what type of rider he is. This year the races which many vertical meters and flat or hilly finishes suited him very well (he is very good in the downhill). Whats next? More development, focus on 2,3 races for himself and the rest as a domestique.

4. Lipowitz: he did a perfect job - nothing more to add

5. Adria: was not as good as in 2024, he is leaving Bora because I think he wants more freedom in the big races. I think he can not compete for wins on the highest WT one day races but stage hunting and smaller one day races are still a thing for him

Whats next for 2026? I think it only can get better. Even if there are no performance upgrades I think its nearly impossible to have so many ill or injured riders.
Tratnik, Martinez, Lazkano can only have better seasons than this year.
For riders like Vlasov, van Gils, Wandahl and Pithie its very likely that they do better than this year.

Remco is brining in winning mentality and he will win races. Cattaneo strengthens the climbing domestique part of the squad without having big own ambitions (I think having clear leaders and domestiques was one big weakness in a lot of races this year). Vermeersch is brining in a lot of experience in classics and winning classics. So many weaknesses that occured during the season were adressed on the transfer market.
But lets look on the new riders and team when the squad is finalized.
 
In terms of stage racing and especially GT racing i would say that now as a whole they have the bare minimum needed, to be elevated to an AAA team status. As for one day racing events, there is so much potential involved that i am rather sure results will come, likely in the 2025 season already.
 
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I think it's great that RBH has placed so much trust in its own U23 team in its first year and is already promoting three riders. This shows potential new recruits for the U23 team that there are real opportunities to make the leap.

Donati and Jasch would also deserve to make the leap. Donati has even won a race with the WT. And there is a lack of strong sprinters for next year to “easily” achieve good results in smaller races. But I was especially hoping for Jasch. I don't think both of them will make it, though. Now in the fall, Pajur is also getting a lot of rides with the WT, which they have been promoting since his youth.

But since 27 riders are pretty much certain and I think at least Moscon will be added, with two GTs this year, there isn't much room left.

Welskopf and Adria are leaving. Palzer would unfortunately only be a marketing issue for Red Bull. Koch could also stay, and Maciejuk has been riding very actively lately to get a new contract somewhere. I think RBH will part ways with Mullen.

A sprinter and a man who rides at the front in the wind all day. That's perhaps what's still missing.
 
I think it's great that RBH has placed so much trust in its own U23 team in its first year and is already promoting three riders. This shows potential new recruits for the U23 team that there are real opportunities to make the leap.

Donati and Jasch would also deserve to make the leap. Donati has even won a race with the WT. And there is a lack of strong sprinters for next year to “easily” achieve good results in smaller races. But I was especially hoping for Jasch. I don't think both of them will make it, though. Now in the fall, Pajur is also getting a lot of rides with the WT, which they have been promoting since his youth.

But since 27 riders are pretty much certain and I think at least Moscon will be added, with two GTs this year, there isn't much room left.

Welskopf and Adria are leaving. Palzer would unfortunately only be a marketing issue for Red Bull. Koch could also stay, and Maciejuk has been riding very actively lately to get a new contract somewhere. I think RBH will part ways with Mullen.

A sprinter and a man who rides at the front in the wind all day. That's perhaps what's still missing.

Moscon is extending, Palzer is probably staying and 30th place is reserved for someone from Intermarché. I can't say the name till it's official but everyone can easily guess it.
 
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So Finn will spend another year in the devo team? Could be good for him but in another team he would have signed with the main team already.
 

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