Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Berniece]

That is your problem, you invented it, so you would need to answer that question. The way i see it this is a non issue as nobody would be hungry or thirsty, maybe hungry for love or hungry for more.

What do you mean a problem I invented? You made the team selection, the race is ongoing with a stage of 200km. Who is getting the water bottles for Roglic? Since everyone is a leader.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I agree with cyclist abi. The tour team should be

Pelizzari (leader)
Lipovitz (co-leader)
Hindley (co leader)
Roglic (sprinter)
Evenepoel (sprint lead out and timed trials)
Vlasov (super domestic)
Danielle Martinez (super domestic)
Trarnik (domestique and slovenian)

IMO this is the best and most balanced team and would give the mazimum entertainment

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Ilmaestro99

I mean yeah, in the gist of it i would sign up for that. I assume that you pushed Pelizzari in sole leader position, due to being Italian. Such fluctuation is hence OK and perfectly understandable.

 

[CyclistAbi]

That's okay, but you're actually sending a weak team to the Tour then.

No. If one crashes and gets eliminated the rest of the team can still win or do good. Plus if Rogla by any chance loses a minute or two in such case, then in mountains he can easily get that back, with great team support. Said all that i sincerely doubt the team would just abandon Rogla, or any other leader, completely, and all would act we are the leaders, we are the world.

So that was a made up argument in this debate as it doesn't work like that on the road.

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What do you mean a problem I invented? You made the team selection, the race is ongoing with a stage of 200km. Who is getting the water bottles for Roglic? Since everyone is a leader.

You invented the problem of riders being hungry and standing no chance on flat if the wind picks up. What i am telling you is that is a non issue, such team has this covered and that is a non issue for them. Moreover they would likely crush the competition in such scenario, they are more then good enough for that all while being fed.

 

[proffate]

I think Abi expects Roglic to pull a Kuss.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I think Abi expects Roglic to pull a Kuss.

I think abi expects roglic to pull a pocagar

 

[CyclistAbi]

I think Abi expects Roglic to pull a Kuss.

Under Rogličes realm there was GC Kuss and Wout was often a bigger star then him, fear not.

I think abi expects roglic to pull a pocagar

No, Rogla really shouldn't pull for Pogi at the Tour 2026, especially if RBH sends a decent team.

 

[aphronesis]

Under Rogličes realm there was GC Kuss and Wout was often a bigger star then him, fear not.



No, Rogla really shouldn't pull for Pogi at the Tour 2026, especially if RBH sends a decent team.

Well done.

 

[pastronef]

in any case I hope for Pog's tummy ache, a cold, a disastrous echelon, some miracle, that gets Remco in yellow in Paris

 

[James M]

Reading this thread. It might be time for an intervention soon.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Reading this thread. It might be time for an intervention soon.

Pocagar telling us how many leaders should Bora send to the tour next year

 

[red_flanders]

Pocagar telling us how many leaders should Bora send to the tour next year

LOL, but he'd need to be showing 8 fingers.

 

[YavorD]

No. If one crashes and gets eliminated the rest of the team can still win or do good.

No, no one can.
Unless Remco or Lipowitz improve massively or Pog and Vingo crash out.
And in both cases they would need support for the easy stages as much as for the mountains.

So it doesn't matter how you put it, you NEED flat support, not only good climbers. And without such, you're constructing a weak team.

 

[Cycling111]

I think abi expects roglic to pull a pocagar

Roglic's biggest burden will always be having lost a Tour with the best team, while Pogacar was practically alone for the entire Tour. From then on, all the debates about teams and domestiques are pointless.

The same could be said of Remco. In the Tour, you need a good team, but that's given to the favorite and the runner-up; everyone else has to earn it first. Only Landa in 2024 is better than any of Pogacar's teammates in 2020.

Pogacar went to the 2019 Vuelta and the 2020 Tour with a terrible team. He was alone on every mountain. They gave him a strong team after he had already won his first Tour. He had already shown he was very good in three weeks before having a good team.

I always say that cyclists like Ayuso or Del Toro have been very lucky. From their first GT, they've had a strong team. But instead of appreciating it, some, like Ayuso, complain, and the fans justify it. They should look at how other young riders fared in their first GT, Pogacar for example. UAE was a complete mediocre team, Aru was failing, and domestiques like Henao weren't even present on the penultimate mountain stage.

Remco has earned the right to be given a strong team, although to win the Tour de France, you first have to prove you can be one of the top two, and sometimes people talk about him as if he were Vingegard at TDF, and he hasn't shown anything of the sort. But there are other cyclists who complain for the sake of complaining without having yet shown they can aspire to win the Tour enough to demand teams with seven climbers.

I've gone off on a tangent. But Abi always talks about teams as if Roglic hasn't had the best in almost every GT he's raced as leader. He even had the best team, by far, in the Tour he lost, and Pogacar didn't even have the second-best team.

 

[acm]

In any case Rogla will still be a DILF so i don't see an issue here.

Haha, legendary response!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Roglic's biggest burden will always be having lost a Tour with the best team, while Pogacar was practically alone for the entire Tour. From then on, all the debates about teams and domestiques are pointless.

The same could be said of Remco. In the Tour, you need a good team, but that's given to the favorite and the runner-up; everyone else has to earn it first. Only Landa in 2024 is better than any of Pogacar's teammates in 2020.

Pogacar went to the 2019 Vuelta and the 2020 Tour with a terrible team. He was alone on every mountain. They gave him a strong team after he had already won his first Tour. He had already shown he was very good in three weeks before having a good team.

I always say that cyclists like Ayuso or Del Toro have been very lucky. From their first GT, they've had a strong team. But instead of appreciating it, some, like Ayuso, complain, and the fans justify it. They should look at how other young riders fared in their first GT, Pogacar for example. UAE was a complete mediocre team, Aru was failing, and domestiques like Henao weren't even present on the penultimate mountain stage.

Remco has earned the right to be given a strong team, although to win the Tour de France, you first have to prove you can be one of the top two, and sometimes people talk about him as if he were Vingegard at TDF, and he hasn't shown anything of the sort. But there are other cyclists who complain for the sake of complaining without having yet shown they can aspire to win the Tour enough to demand teams with seven climbers.

I've gone off on a tangent. But Abi always talks about teams as if Roglic hasn't had the best in almost every GT he's raced as leader. He even had the best team, by far, in the Tour he lost, and Pogacar didn't even have the second-best team.

Pogi is living an intense cycling life and, like a super-giant star, will fade quickly. Rogla will outlast those kids and win the Tour in 2040.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No, no one can.
Unless Remco or Lipowitz improve massively or Pog and Vingo crash out.
And in both cases they would need support for the easy stages as much as for the mountains.

So it doesn't matter how you put it, you NEED flat support, not only good climbers. And without such, you're constructing a weak team.

OK, lets do it your way then, why does in your opinion Remco need that much support on flat sections, for being able to win the Tour? What is the reason behind it?

 

[AmRacer]

OK, lets do it your way then, why does in your opinion Remco need that much support on flat sections, for being able to win the Tour? What is the reason behind it?

To not waisting energy on easy stages.

 

[CyclistAbi]

To not waisting energy on easy stages.

As otherwise Remco will be riding at the front of the peloton?

 

[AmRacer]

As otherwise Remco will be riding at the front of the peloton?

No, that's not a good place to be at on easy stages.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Roglic's biggest burden will always be having lost a Tour with the best team, while Pogacar was practically alone for the entire Tour. From then on, all the debates about teams and domestiques are pointless.

I mean even in your claim you are saying on how much a strong team matters and then go on and conclude a debate about teams and doms is pointless. At that edition Pogi had the strongest team.

No, that's not a good place to be at on easy stages.

So your original claim was bogus?

 

[AmRacer]

I mean even in your claim you are saying on how much a strong team matters and then go on and conclude a debate about teams and doms is pointless. At that edition Pogi had the strongest team.



So your original claim was bogus?

Nope

 

[Berniece]

OK, lets do it your way then, why does in your opinion Remco need that much support on flat sections, for being able to win the Tour? What is the reason behind it?

He literally lost 39s on the first stage in this years TDF...

 

[CyclistAbi]

All in all i get it guys, what you seem to be saying is such Tour team would just be too strong in terms of climbing, better to split it up and to strengthen it on the flats then, as there is on where the Tour will get decided.

Fine.

Reading this thread. It might be time for an intervention soon.

Pogi for the fifth.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1983458799626158368

View: https://x.com/lavuelta/status/1983458799626158368


Rogla for the fifth.

P.S. Well that works for me too, heart says Vuelta anyway. If by any chance you change your mind and want to send a proper team to the Tour, lose the self sabotage, give us a ring.

 

[CyclistAbi]

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Have you forgotten it already 🤔

It seems.

Anyway guys, fine, Lipo and Remco with a strong flat section team support it is then, that is of most importance, Pogi and Jonas here we come. Rogla off to Vuelta, he can take the redundant climbers. And take some out of the mentioned Tour quota and send them to the Giro. To i guess beat Jonas while having a strong flat section support. So at least if one has a flat, then only a minute it is. On climbs flats are less common, there at Giro and the Tour leaders can support themself just fine. Rogla is a bit older and hopefully nobody will resent him for taking some climbers in support, those stairs are rocking and a bit of supports is beneficial for the back.

It's the generational gap it seems. Youngsters are eager to do it by themself on where with age you take the helping hand or a cane and do it.