I'm curious what makes you and others think that?
It would be good. TdF would be fantastic.
Because he hasn’t actually won much at all yet. He has 3 total professional wins. He’s right there with Oscar Onley, who has 2. Remco has 67, Roglic has 91. Hell, Lenny Martinez has 10 wins. I get that looking ahead isn’t about palmares, which is backward looking, but it’s unusual for someone to be hyped so thoroughly while having produced so little.
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No he didn’t. Evenepoel 9min from Pogacar, Lipo 11min from Pogacar
Remco lost less time to Pogacar despite a) we saw the best numbers ever last year, even better than this year and b) Pogacar was going all out almost every stage (apart from stage 20). Plus, this year his team was weaker because he lost Almeida and was sick/injured in the last days. Not to mention the fact that Remco can actually win something (TTs) and gain time on Pogacar and everyone else, and Lipowitz can't. There is absolutely no terrain in which Lipowitz is better or even equal to Pogacar
Because he hasn’t actually won much at all yet. He has 3 total professional wins. He’s right there with Oscar Onley, who has 2. Remco has 67, Roglic has 91. Hell, Lenny Martinez has 10 wins. I get that looking ahead isn’t about palmares, which is backward looking, but it’s unusual for someone to be hyped so thoroughly while having produced so little.
He also was weaker than a very poorly prepped Roglic on multiple stages in the Tour. He proved he can diesel up climbs in the rear view mirror of the top riders, that’s it. It’s a great start, but he hasn’t earned top billing yet. He needs to prove he is a winner, not just a guy who is in the mix. Others have been in the mix - Uran was right there behind Froome one year, Meintjes was often right there - but winners are built different. I think Lipowitz will become that, but he hasn’t proved it yet.
I mean look at the comparison to Isaac del Toro, who is 4 years younger and has only 2 years as a pro vs 3. He has 21 wins.
Isaac del Toro versus Florian Lipowitz
Head to head career results between Isaac del Toro and Florian Lipowitz. The overal score is 63.3% for Isaac del Toro versus 36.7% for Florian Lipowitz. A comparison on same race results, time trial points and the points per age.
Fair points, and obviously Evenepoel is a much better and more accomplished rider than Lipowitz all around, but this isn't about wins, it's about who's more likely to finish 3rd in the Tour. Now, that might be Remco. I'm not arguing that he should domestique for Lipowitz, I'm just questioning how you, based on what we've seen from the two, can say that Evenepoel is more certain to finish 3rd in the Tour than Lipowitz. To me that's not clear at all.
Yeah, that's my point as well. And I'm confident that the Bora management sees it the same way.
To be fair 9 minutes is less than 11 minutes. Also Pogacar was uncharacteristically subdued in the last week this past tour. Remco was 3 minutes behind Jonas whereas Lipowitz was over 6 1/2 minutes back. I feel like Lipowitz was kind of best of the rest finishing 1:12 in front of Onley while Remco was closer to first than he was to 4th. I would have to say Remco is the more complete GC rider as long as he doesn't have a bad day on a hard mountain stage.
I think Pogacar was injured from his crash on stage 11. It was discussed at length in the Pogacar thread.
Yes, my point was that a normal Pogi would have taken even more time out of Lipowitz.
I would like to see Roglic finally win a TDF. I'd like to have a million dollars too.
Indeed, I don’t think any of them have to play domestiques unless there is an actual chance of victory for one of them.
I think that's a fair point. In my opinion Lipowitz is more consistent but Remco has a higher upside. So if RBH absolutely has to make a choice it's probably Remco, otherwise they're 1a and 1b captains I think
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