Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[tobydawq]

So? They can still bring Evenepoel, it would increase their chances significantly.

Not Philipsen's

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So? They can still bring Evenepoel, it would increase their chances significantly.

Yeah of course. But the peloton in the EEC could well be to weak to handle him to begin with. And perhaps they want to give Philipsen a chance to shine.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yeah of course. But the peloton in the EEC could well be to weak to handle him to begin with. And perhaps they want to give Philipsen a chance to shine.

I think if Remco wants to do it, he will. But maybe its better to prepare by doing some harder races with more vertical meters to try to replicate Worlds a bit more, I guess Canada is quite perfect for that if you don't mind the travelling.

 

[Karl Merckx]

Remco doesn't want to ride EEC. Case closed.

 

[tobydawq]

Remco doesn't want to ride EEC. Case closed.

Okay Karl.

 

[Berniece]

Remco doesn't want to ride EEC. Case closed.

I think so too, the race is really flat this year. Nothing like Paris

 

[2WpK]

He said he was going to lock up that golden bike.

Remco can definitely win the TDF. Guys like Pogi and Vingo look unbeatable until they are beaten.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Too all those dreaming of seeing him in Flanders next year. You might have to wait to count your chickens.

 

[red_flanders]

Too all those dreaming of seeing him in Flanders next year. You might have to wait to count your chickens.

Explain please?

 

[Frobisher Bay]

Remco doesn't want to ride EEC. Case closed.

But he's telling in an interview with Sporza today he's defintely riding the EC.

 

[Berniece]

Explain please?

Interview with Sporza about his future goals where he finds Giro and TDF more important. He isn’t sure he wants to change his preparation for a GT purely for classics.

His focus will now primarily be on GT’s, losing another kilo for example, and less on TT’s since he won everything there is.

Remco Evenepoel verklapt de prioriteiten op zijn steeds kleinere bucketlist: "Dat ene verhaal moet afgeschreven worden" | sporza

Zet u schrap voor een zoveelste wow-moment rond Remco Evenepoel. Op de huldiging in Brussel wacht de dubbele olympische kampioen ongetwijfeld het luidste applaus. Vooraf maakte het fenomeen eerst nog tijd voor een interview, waarin hij duidelijkheid schept rond de prioriteiten op zijn...

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[Coffeeplanter]

But he's telling in an interview with Sporza today he's defintely riding the EC.

That was in reference to the ITT, which was on his program for some time.

 

[Frobisher Bay]

That was in reference to the ITT, which was on his program for some time.

Aha, that makes more sense!

 

[red_flanders]

Interview with Sporza about his future goals where he finds Giro and TDF more important. He isn’t sure he wants to change his preparation for a GT purely for classics.

His focus will now primarily be on GT’s, losing another kilo for example, and less on TT’s since he won everything there is.

Remco Evenepoel verklapt de prioriteiten op zijn steeds kleinere bucketlist: "Dat ene verhaal moet afgeschreven worden" | sporza

Zet u schrap voor een zoveelste wow-moment rond Remco Evenepoel. Op de huldiging in Brussel wacht de dubbele olympische kampioen ongetwijfeld het luidste applaus. Vooraf maakte het fenomeen eerst nog tijd voor een interview, waarin hij duidelijkheid schept rond de prioriteiten op zijn...

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Thanks @Berniece

Good to see Lombardy on the goals for this year as well.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Thanks @Berniece

Good to see Lombardy on the goals for this year as well.

That was in reference to the ITT, which was on his program for some time.

True, but would it not make sense to do the road race as well then.
Wait and see i guess

 

[Karl Merckx]

He's not doing the road race ffs...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Het is duidelijk dat je een grote ronde niet wint in een tijdrit van 30 kilometer, maar wel op cols van meer dan een uur.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c&t=20s

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

In English please...

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

In English please...

"It's obvious that you don't win a grand tour in the 30km TT, but in the hour long cols"

 

[houtdffan]

you cant win a GT in 30km TTs. You can if the organizers do the right thing and include 2 60km ITTs like the good old days

 

[shadowrider]

Clearly the Tour benefitted Remco, whose level at the Olympics was super. And yet, as we look ahead to the future the 9+ minutes down on Pogacar at the Tour, despite climbing and TTing so well, is a massive gap to close if he hopes to take yellow.

But not impossible in certain cirucumstances. Who would have thought Roglic would have been defeated in the last TT and the general of the Tour 20 ? Who would have thougt Pogacar would have been defeated in the Tour 22 ?

 

[shadowrider]

Same for Vingegaard then? I mean I don't know, but I don't see how having a broken scapula and clavicle didn't negatively impact his prep at least...somewhat, no matter what level he ended up on. How much? Impossible to say. Clearly not in a major way. Could he not have been 2% better? Would that not have made a minute difference?

Again, I don't know. But I just can't see how (for either rider, and Vingegaard more) how it had zero effect.

Probably a minute in the last TT alone. Energy expended which didn't have to be on Stage 4 and other stages? Has to add up. How much? Some, more than anyone wants. If his descending was at the level of Pogi, I have a very hard time imagining that would be under a minute. I would say 2 mins is likely.

A broken scapula and clavicle 2,5 months before the Tour never helps to perform at the highest level in that Tour. But..... turn it around. It happens way too often that riders unhindered by illness, injuries, (long) inactivity, having a perfect preparation (or think they have), having a (almost) perfect weight, overdo. Being in shape too early, having drawn too much in the reserves for the Tour...... start strong the first days of the Tour and fade later..... or not even perform the first stages of the Tour. As we could see about several riders being in (top)shape during the Dauphiné. Already during the first (hilly) stage of the Tour, some good (subtop)riders lost time (while not climbers and even alround sprinters were still at the front). On the San Luca, the likes of Roglic, Vlasov, Rodriguez, Jorgenson etc were already dropped. While the "bad" prepared, crashdiet Evenepoel lost only seconds and even came back at the end.
So, without that nasty crash, Evenepoel would have been better prepared. But I'm not sure that would have resulted in a better endresult, or even the same result. It would have in the case of Vingegaard. While Vingegaard really couldn't start his specific training in time. Unlike Evenepoel who gets into (top) shape just in time.

 

[shadowrider]

Remco doesn't want to ride EEC. Case closed.

He will ride the EEC TT.

 

[Berniece]

A broken scapula and clavicle 2,5 months before the Tour never helps to perform at the highest level in that Tour. But..... turn it around. It happens way too often that riders unhindered by illness, injuries, (long) inactivity, having a perfect preparation (or think they have), having a (almost) perfect weight, overdo. Being in shape too early, having drawn too much in the reserves for the Tour...... start strong the first days of the Tour and fade later..... or not even perform the first stages of the Tour. As we could see about several riders being in (top)shape during the Dauphiné. Already during the first (hilly) stage of the Tour, some good (subtop)riders lost time (while not climbers and even alround sprinters were still at the front). On the San Luca, the likes of Roglic, Vlasov, Rodriguez, Jorgenson etc were already dropped. While the "bad" prepared, crashdiet Evenepoel lost only seconds and even came back at the end.
So, without that nasty crash, Evenepoel would have been better prepared. But I'm not sure that would have resulted in a better endresult, or even the same result. It would have in the case of Vingegaard. While Vingegaard really couldn't start his specific training in time. Unlike Evenepoel who gets into (top) shape just in time.

That’s just guess work though, it could also be in a better result since everything went as planned and he wouldn’t burn out

 

[shadowrider]

That’s just guess work though, it could also be in a better result since everything went as planned and he wouldn’t burn out

We'll never know in the case of Evenepoel. But we do know several topriders underperformed (much or little) being "ideal" prepared and some already performing in the Dauphiné. Which I predicted during and after the Dauphiné. Which led to some people reacting mockingly. Unfortunately, these members have never admitted their wrong since then.