Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[bNator]

Sure, and that can be said about everything then. Evenepoel only rode 1 TDF in his life, Pogacar 5, so maybe Evenepoel is the better TDF rider, we don't know

Evenepoel was soundly beaten by Pog in their direct confrontation in TDF which means we do know. When comparing their rouleur performances, you are doing indirect comprasions.

 

[Berniece]

Evenepoel was soundly beaten by Pog in their direct confrontation in TDF which means we do know. When comparing their rouleur performances, you are doing indirect comparisons.

Sure, because there are always excuses. Just like Wollongong doesn't count for some reason.

 

[Berniece]

Evenepoel now also has a golden TT bike.

More images of his recon/prep

Spoiler

 

[Red Rick]

Ah yes, the cure for Red Ricks salty tears

Bleeding eyes

 

[stonerider]

How's Remco doing with his weight management heading into Worlds? If heavy, I guess he's going for the TT Gold...if light, he going for the Road race Gold.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Remco beat Pogacar in wollongdong and in my opinion he would also have in Paris if pogacar bothered to attend.

He needs to employ similar tactics in the zurich.

 

[Berniece]

How's Remco doing with his weight management heading into Worlds? If heavy, I guess he's going for the TT Gold...if light, he going for the Road race Gold.

He's not as sharp as in TDF, but that's also not needed on such a course.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

We weren’t talking about the same thing. You were over-simplifying and that’s why you think it’s the same thing, looked at from opposite direction. In one post you were talking about riders who were not comfortable in TT position and in the other post you were talking about riders, who have bad aero on a road bike.

I think i have been clear about what i meant. Being aero, having a low CdA, means your front aerea hits as little air as possible and your shape allows for as little drag behind as possible. This can be due to bodyshape, size and positioning on the bike, which in its turn is also decided by how flexible and agile a person is. The fact of the matter remains, that a person who is by nature able to cut through the air better, will see less improvement from going from a road bike to a TT bike, but will also lose less of his advantage by going from a TT bike to a road bike.

You can try your best to frame my reasoning as something controversial, but it is not.

 

[bNator]

I think i have been clear about what i meant. Being aero, having a low CdA, means your front aerea hits as little air as possible and your shape allows for as little drag behind as possible. This can be due to bodyshape, size and positioning on the bike, which in its turn is also decided by how flexible and agile a person is. The fact of the matter remains, that a person who is by nature able to cut through the air better, will see less improvement from going from a road bike to a TT bike, but will also lose less of his advantage by going from a TT bike to a road bike.

You can try your best to frame my reasoning as something controversial, but it is not.

It's not a controversial reasoning and I understand your point . I just think it’s too simplistic, unproven and far from "fact of the matter"...

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It's not a controversial reasoning and I understand your point . I just think it’s too simplistic, unproven and far from "fact of the matter"...

You say unproven all the time. Is it proven that a larger person hits more wind on a bike than a smaller person? Is it proven that a person who sits more upright on a bike is less aerodynamic than a person who is more tucked in? If you consider this proven, then by logical deduction my point is also proven. The bigger the discrepancy between one's frontal area on a road bike and a TT bike, the more advantage one will have on a TT bike compared to a road bike, and the more disadvantage one will have on a road bike compared to a TT bike.

 

[bNator]

You say unproven all the time. Is it proven that a larger person hits more wind on a bike than a smaller person? Is it proven that a person who sits more upright on a bike is less aerodynamic than a person who is more tucked in? If you consider this proven, then by logical deduction my point is also proven. The bigger the discrepancy between one's frontal area on a road bike and a TT bike, the more advantage one will have on a TT bike compared to a road bike, and the more disadvantage one will have on a road bike compared to a TT bike.

What’s not proven is that larger person on a bike has a bigger CdA. A larger person will hit more wind (that’s a fact) but could still face less wind resistance due to other factors, yes? Frontal area is just one of the parameters of aerodynamic drag.

And that’s an important point. You can’t just simplify and say aerodynamic drag is linearly proportional to frontal area. And as soon as it’s not linearly proportional, your point is not proven.

 

[stekelegel]

It is also proven that in sports quite often the results are unexpected (or not logical) and that's why we love sport; It is also proven that after the race people ten to logically explain the unexpected results.
It is logical to assume on past results that Remco is a better rouleur, whatever a rouleur is anyway..
It is logical to assume that any comparison with Pogacar based on results before this year is utter nonsense, so big has been his progression.
It is logical to assume that next sunday they will be racing each other.
It is logical to assume that Pogacar, based on this years results is the most likely winner.
It is logical to assume that Evenepoel will be his closest competitor.
And starting monday then we can start this discussion again, armed with some facts.

 

[red_flanders]

Are you sure about that statistic?

I’m not even sure we all share a common definition of “rouleur”.

 

[Berniece]

Interview with Evenepoel today. Key takeaways:

• He’s feeling the way he felt before the start of the Tour.
• He has a big chance to win ITT but doesn’t want to write off Tarling/Ganna
• Pogacar is in great form, but he believes he should be able to challenge him

Remco Evenepoel: "De vorm die ik zocht, heb ik net op tijd gevonden" | sporza

De voorbereiding is afgerond. Remco Evenepoel wil in Zürich nog een laatste keer pieken dit seizoen, want de olympische kampioen is nog niet verzadigd. Maarten Vangramberen had een uitgebreid gesprek met de titelverdediger in het tijdrijden over kicken op truien, zijn clash met Tadej Pogacar, de...

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[Peyroteo94]

Interview with Evenepoel today. Key takeaways:

• He’s feeling the way he felt before the start of the Tour.
• He has a big chance to win ITT but doesn’t want to write off Tarling/Ganna
• Pogacar is in great form, but he believes he should be able to challenge him

Remco Evenepoel: "De vorm die ik zocht, heb ik net op tijd gevonden" | sporza

De voorbereiding is afgerond. Remco Evenepoel wil in Zürich nog een laatste keer pieken dit seizoen, want de olympische kampioen is nog niet verzadigd. Maarten Vangramberen had een uitgebreid gesprek met de titelverdediger in het tijdrijden over kicken op truien, zijn clash met Tadej Pogacar, de...

sporza.be

Good news. We need a opponent to contest Pogacar's dominance. Unfortunately, the TT will be a mere formality

 

[Berniece]

Good news. We need a opponent to contest Pogacar's dominance. Unfortunately, the TT will be a mere formality

Maybe Tarling can challenge Evenepoel, should have had a decent preparation, but even then. Evenepoel has been flying in regular TT’s this season.

 

[houtdffan]

'There's still gas in the tank' – Remco Evenepoel eyes making history in UCI World Championships time trial

Belgian seeks to add another rainbow jersey to the gold medals he claimed in Paris

www.cyclingnews.com

Unusually confident. Not even worried about Pog

 

[Oldermanish]

Remco beat Pogacar in wollongdong and in my opinion he would also have in Paris if pogacar bothered to attend.

He needs to employ similar tactics in the zurich.

Three different races, same tactic?

 

[AmRacer]

Remco beat Pogacar in wollongdong and in my opinion he would also have in Paris if pogacar bothered to attend.

He needs to employ similar tactics in the zurich.

Pog was dead after the Tour, so lots of riders would've finished ahead in Paris.

In 2022, Pog made 3 tactical errors.

4 in a 2 man sprint, could've been second at best

Letting Jonas and Rogla playing with him, should've let Rogla go.

Didn't jump on Remco's wheel

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Remco showing his diet and trainings, we need 'logic is your friends' analysis immediately!!!!

View: https://youtu.be/gr2zt2UEJBY?si=x_at76WV3W3fwmiE

 

[joe_papp]

It really is
TDF + Giro + LBL
v.
OG double + WC double + Lombardia

The rest just doesn’t matter to the people voting. Not that it matters, this award doesn’t really matter anyway.

Also for Evenepoel to win WC RR and Lombardia there needs to be something seriously wrong with Pogacar

OG double + WC double + Lombardia would be incontestably more awesome than TDF + Giro + LBL.

 

[Berniece]

OG double + WC double + Lombardia would be incontestably more awesome than TDF + Giro + LBL.

Well it’s something that has never been done before at least

 

[KZD]

Undefeated in major Championships time trials since Worlds 2022.

Absolute legend!

 

[Wvv]

Thriller from before the start until the finish. But congrats Remco with your consecutive world title, you're already one of the all time greats on a TT bike.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Congratz Remco. Close battle, Even without the Roglic draft for Ganna. But you brought the victory home.

Not sure what this means for the road race. Someone else can think about weight, power, ... and all that jazz.

Apparantly he did the TT without a power meter. So if UCI ever decides to ban them, he seems to know his body well enough to function without it.

In any case, I'm just stoked.