Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Berniece]

You can't point at Lipowitz because there is no point of reference. Even last year he already showed himself.

I haven't seen anything at all to suggest that Bora is making riders better from that perspective. Vlasov? Hindley? Roglic? Not seeing it. Maybe Roglic gets a pass since he came from Visma to begin with and isn't getting younger, but so far i am not seeing guys like Wellense or Campenaerts at their age suddenly becoming world beaters, at Bora.

Lipowitz is better than last year though. Could be just developing due to his age, but could also be due to Red Bull's influence. Same goes for Pellizzari.

I do agree that there aren't many riders who became better. Expected much more from Pithie and Lazkano for example.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

What? He said few months ago he'll retire after 2026 season.

Oh, i thought his contract ended after 2025. But if that is the case, that's good news, because he was instrumental in the development of Visma.

 

[AmRacer]

Remco is back on the startlist for San Sebastian on PCS.
LET'S GO!

But at what shape can be at? Fully rested and that's it

 

[Rou]

But at what shape can be at? Fully rested and that's it

He is not retired yet, guys.
He'll be decent.
I wanna see a proper fight with Ayuso and del Toro.

 

[KoopaCycling]

These days you don't need race days to be ready.
And Remco tends to ride well after resting for awhile.

Roglic has performed well enough though not at the same level as in his Visma days, and i dislike the notion of writing people off before they are truly done just cause they are a certain age. At the same time you do need to be honest. I had zero expectations of Boonen is his last few years. If I was Boonen i would not have demanded to be team leader, just one of the potentials.

That said even with the continued presence of Roglic i would still go for Remco if i'm red bull.

Speaking of remco he might have been better off riding the vuelta this year. Start with San Sebastian, Vuelta, WC, EC, Lombardia. But that's hindsight. Hopefully he will learn from this year.

 

[Berniece]

Oh, i thought his contract ended after 2025. But if that is the case, that's good news, because he was instrumental in the development of Visma.

Didn't he want to end his career together with Roglic? So basically if he keeps going, so will Lambrechts.

 

[Berniece]

He is not retired yet, guys.
He'll be decent.
I wanna see a proper fight with Ayuso and del Toro.

They removed it already, luckily

 

[KoopaCycling]

He is not retired yet, guys.
He'll be decent.
I wanna see a proper fight with Ayuso and del Toro.

That would be a surprise, but i doubt it. Just yesterday belgian newsoutlets 'confirmed' he ain't riding it. Koen pelgrim (his trainer) saying it comes to early. Now maybe he is no longer part of Soudal and things change. But i doubt he'll do san sebastian.

If he rides anything before WC it will be Bretagne Classic and maybe Deutschland Tour/Tour of Britain (one of those two stage races).

 

[peterfin]

They removed it already, luckily

There was an news item on X that reported he would race but I think it was based on an older startlist. I assume PCS picked it up but saw the error.

 

[houtdffan]

But at what shape can be at? Fully rested and that's it

not going

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling/its-not-an-option-remco-evenepoel-wont-yet-return-to-racing-after-tour-de-france-implosion

 

[Berniece]

Now maybe he is no longer part of Soudal and things change. But i doubt he'll do san sebastian.

He isn't going to Red Bull mid-season, it has always been said it would be for 2026

 

[KoopaCycling]

Probably. But you never know.

 

[peterfin]

Schrödinger's Evenepoel - Clasica San Sebastian announces Olympic Champion in 2025 edition one day after his coach confirmed he wouldn't

After the end of the Tour de France, Remco Evenepoel's coach Koen Pelgrim was asked if the Belgian was going to be present at the Clasica San Sebastian. The answer was "it's not an option" but this mo...

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[KoopaCycling]

lol. well i think the organisers are wong.

Also Rolf Aldag has been replaced with Vanthourenhout.
Not sure how I feel about that, but Remco is def. coming to Red Bull.
Wether from august or in january.

 

[peterfin]

lol. well i think the organisers are wong.

Also Rolf Aldag has been replaced with Vanthourenhout.
Not sure how I feel about that, but Remco is def. coming to Red Bull.
Wether from august or in january.

Sven Vanthourenhout will replace Rolf. So yes, indeed, the team is being prepared for Remco's arrival.

 

[houtdffan]

Sven Vanthourenhout will replace Rolf. So yes, indeed, the team is being prepared for Remco's arrival.

That seems more like Red Bull is putting whoever Remco wants in team management at this point

The Red Bull - Remcos

 

[peterfin]

That seems more like Red Bull is putting whoever Remco wants in team management at this point

The Red Bull - Remcos

I doubt it. Sven's transfer to the management was communicated more than a month ago. It could be just a strategic move from Red Bull to ease a deal.

 

[Berniece]

That seems more like Red Bull is putting whoever Remco wants in team management at this point

The Red Bull - Remcos

Lol, that's just coincidence. Vanthourenhout did more than enough to earn that position.

 

[red_flanders]

It's the all time classic of cycling fans. Roglic needs to prove everything time and time again. Evenepoel does not. 10 years from now, he will only be 35 after all.

That's the takeaway from this thread? That Evenepoel doesn't need to prove himself?

Really?

 

[Links2003]

For who? I haven't heard anyone from Bora having difficulties with Roglic's entourage. Also who did he bring besides his performance guy who was already employed by Red Bull?

My statement was generally about how riders like Jai and Vlasov handeld the situation that Roglič was placed ahead of them. And since he brought changes to the team, including new staff, it was clear the focus was on him. As the Giro winner, that's something you first have to come to terms with.
Now it’s happening again, and apparently Remco is bringing even more with him. Plus, there's Lipo, who finished third in the Tour. That significantly shifts things for several riders in terms of perspective and their own chances.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Look at UAE and Visma. Especially UAE. they are managing. Also Hindley and Vlasov have both not much to show last 2 years in terms of being able to demand pecking order. Roglic and Lipo are a different matter.

 

[theyoungest]

The only one who came with Roglič was his coach Marc Lamberts.

No, perhaps more importantly they also poached the nutrition expert Asker Jeukendrup, who came into a conflict of interest since he already worked as a consultant for Red Bull the brand before Red Bull joined a cycling team.

Oh, i thought his contract ended after 2025. But if that is the case, that's good news, because he was instrumental in the development of Visma.

He had the good fortune of getting to work with Roglic as his first job at Lotto-Jumbo-Visma. And then Van Aert came along, whom he already trained. You could of course wonder whether it was the athletes or the coach who was the decisive factor in their success.

 

[Low is rhe new high]

Who already retired.


You can't point at Lipowitz because there is no point of reference. Even last year he already showed himself.

I haven't seen anything at all to suggest that Bora is making riders better from that perspective. Vlasov? Hindley? Roglic? Not seeing it. Maybe Roglic gets a pass since he came from Visma to begin with and isn't getting younger, but so far i am not seeing guys like Wellense or Campenaerts at their age suddenly becoming world beaters, at Bora.

All things considered, is that a sign of something being right or something being wrong? But as you previously stated with your list, there is room for a lot of improvement for Remco he will also have to go to a team with enough budget to keep a resilient team of super doms. RB and Ineos seems to be the only reasonable two options.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Remco showing up at the Bora HQ with his entourage

 

[theyoungest]

Look at UAE and Visma. Especially UAE. they are managing. Also Hindley and Vlasov have both not much to show last 2 years in terms of being able to demand pecking order. Roglic and Lipo are a different matter.

UAE aren't managing at all, you saw that in the Giro. When Pogacar is there it's pretty clear, no one comes close to Pogacar so no one is above him in the pecking order. But when he's not there it's a free for all.

When Evenepoel joins Red Bull he faces the problem of not being clearly better than Lipowitz or Roglic, as far as chances in a GT go. In fact I'd say at this moment he's slightly (or a lot) worse than them. He's no Pogacar, let's put it that way.