Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It's on a timetrial bike. Road bike aerodynamics don't matter.

The discussion was about rouleur in general, and according to Küng's definition of what a rouleur is. This is not the discussion about the WHR.

 

[Oldman]

Bruyneel is very connected in Belgian cycling and has been right about pretty much any questions or speculation about Remco’s career. When he says something with confidence about Remco, I find it worth listening. YMMV.

No doubt he is very informed about racing in general. I had no idea Remco's father had regular communication with Bruyneel. IMO he is and always will be his own promoter which I find slightly less distasteful than his willingness to cheat and lie.
Remco's old enough to be his own man and hopefully he makes his own choices. He doesn't need Johann's endorsement for anything.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

No doubt he is very informed about racing in general. I had no idea Remco's father had regular communication with Bruyneel. IMO he is and always will be his own promoter which I find slightly less distasteful than his willingness to cheat and lie.
Remco's old enough to be his own man and hopefully he makes his own choices. He doesn't need Johann's endorsement for anything.

I don't think/know if Bruyneel has contact with Patrick Evenepoel directly/himself. But surely they move in the same circles.

 

[red_flanders]

No doubt he is very informed about racing in general. I had no idea Remco's father had regular communication with Bruyneel. IMO he is and always will be his own promoter which I find slightly less distasteful than his willingness to cheat and lie.
Remco's old enough to be his own man and hopefully he makes his own choices. He doesn't need Johann's endorsement for anything.

I understand people not liking Bruyneel. He’s done some really shady stuff. Not sure it’s worse than a lot of others who get more of a pass, but that’s another conversation. I don’t think he’s promoting anything in this case, just offering an informed observation. It wasn’t meant as an endorsement and I’m sure Bruyneel would agree Remco needs nothing of the sort.

Whatever one thinks about him, it has to be said that the guy has more cycling knowledge than just about any commentator, particularly for English -speaking fans.

 

[HashRouge]

I understand people not liking Bruyneel. He’s done some really shady stuff. Not sure it’s worse than a lot of others who get more of a pass, but that’s another conversation. I don’t think he’s promoting anything in this case, just offering an informed observation. It wasn’t meant as an endorsement and I’m sure Bruyneel would agree Remco needs nothing of the sort.

Whatever one thinks about him, it has to be said that the guy has more cycling knowledge than just about any commentator, particularly for English -speaking fans.

I agree with this. I also think he's much better informed than people might imagine given his exclusion from modern cycling, because he still knows so many people in the sport.

 

[Didinho]

And what about the aerodynamics indoor without any tail or headwind? Or Is it the same as outside and he could benefit from his position.

 

[Berniece]

And what about the aerodynamics indoor without any tail or headwind? Or Is it the same as outside and he could benefit from his position.

You can still benefit from it, there is also resistance inside. That’s why a lot of riders do this in Mexico at altitude because there’s less resistance.

 

[red_flanders]

And what about the aerodynamics indoor without any tail or headwind? Or Is it the same as outside and he could benefit from his position.

Aerodynamics aren't the "same" inside, but in still air it's a huge factor, and on a flat course, more important than weight.

Zero chance for Remco to match Ganna's power, his superpower is being crazy aero.

 

[Red Rick]

And what about the aerodynamics indoor without any tail or headwind? Or Is it the same as outside and he could benefit from his position.

Indoor aerodynamics are slightly different in that it's mostly perfectly windless or maybe there's some convection in the the velodrome, but this would be marginal.

Basically it means that you can assume that the wind resistance direction is always perfectly frontal. Dan Bigham I believe mentioned that in practice this is different from outdoors where you can have any wind affecting this, so the frontal profile and shape become slightly less important outdoors while they are more optimal indoors.

Bigham sort of implied he was better on track than outdoors TT for this reason. i.e. his sideways profile isn't the best but his shape is so optimal for low CdA he can achieve a super low CdA despite being relatively big.

 

[Extinction]

Remco in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport said if Vingo and MVDP aren't there then it's a missed opportunity and worse for them. As far as Pogi wanting revenge, he could not care less and has his plan. However one rates the scoundral, it's the right warrior mentality.

 

[Red Rick]

Remco in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport said if Vingo and MVDP aren't there then it's a missed opportunity and worse for them. As far as Pogi wanting revenge, he could not care less and has his plan. However one rates the scoundral, it's the right warrior mentality.

Parcours for Van der Poel or for Vingegaard aren't even on the same Venn-diagram.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Parcours for Van der Poel or for Vingegaard aren't even on the same Venn-diagram.

Venn der Poel & Venngegaard?

Sorry.

 

[Red Rick]

Venn der Poel & Venngegaard?

Sorry.

You forgot about Venn Aert and eVennepoel, and if we're really trying hard, the SloVennians

 

[aphronesis]

I think you could do one with them Remco (Van Aert as an alternate somewhere) and Pogacar.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Remco in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport said if Vingo and MVDP aren't there then it's a missed opportunity and worse for them. As far as Pogi wanting revenge, he could not care less and has his plan. However one rates the scoundral, it's the right warrior mentality.

Yeah, tell them. Very disappointing that neither of them are present, especially Vingegaard, but unfortunately no surprise. Its very hard doing a GT into Worlds, more so for Vingegaard than any other rider apparantly, or so I was told. Then its a lot better to wait a week to races a meaningless race!

 

[red_flanders]

Remco in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport said if Vingo and MVDP aren't there then it's a missed opportunity and worse for them. As far as Pogi wanting revenge, he could not care less and has his plan. However one rates the scoundral, it's the right warrior mentality.

Outstanding comments if accurate, I assumed delivered with a "Gonna do what I'm gonna do even if I might get smoked doing it" way? I don't think he has any allusions about who Pogacar is.

 

[Berniece]

Pretty clear Evenepoel wants to go long 1v1 and fry Pogacar pulling evenly on the flats and descents like Van Aert in Brabantse Pijl

First we have to see if he’s able to drop the rest. Maybe he wants to go after Mount Kigali if Pogi joins

 

[2WpK]

I understand people not liking Bruyneel. He’s done some really shady stuff. Not sure it’s worse than a lot of others who get more of a pass, but that’s another conversation. I don’t think he’s promoting anything in this case, just offering an informed observation. It wasn’t meant as an endorsement and I’m sure Bruyneel would agree Remco needs nothing of the sort.

Whatever one thinks about him, it has to be said that the guy has more cycling knowledge than just about any commentator, particularly for English -speaking fans.

I stopped listening to Bruyneel when he claimed to have "insider knowledge" while he was just repeating what "Mou" wrote on this Forum.

 

[Cycling111]

Remco in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport said if Vingo and MVDP aren't there then it's a missed opportunity and worse for them. As far as Pogi wanting revenge, he could not care less and has his plan. However one rates the scoundral, it's the right warrior mentality.

Well. But we can't ignore the fact that everyone had more demanding schedules.

VDP could also tell Remco to look for opportunities in San Remo, Flanders, or Roubaix. And Vingegaard could tell him that not finishing a GT in a year leaves the legs fresher.

Really the only one who can talk about absences every year is Pogacar, who has the most demanding calendars in recent years, rancing against everyone on every terrain.
The rest are not in a position to talk about opportunities.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well. But we can't ignore the fact that everyone had more demanding schedules.

VDP could also tell Remco to look for opportunities in San Remo, Flanders, or Roubaix. And Vingegaard could tell him that not finishing a GT in a year leaves the legs fresher.

Really the only one who can talk about absences every year is Pogacar, who has the most demanding calendars in recent years, rancing against everyone on every terrain.
The rest are not in a position to talk about opportunities.

The reason Evenepoel doesn't race more than he does is 9 times out of 10 due to injury.

 

[peterfin]

Well. But we can't ignore the fact that everyone had more demanding schedules.

VDP could also tell Remco to look for opportunities in San Remo, Flanders, or Roubaix. And Vingegaard could tell him that not finishing a GT in a year leaves the legs fresher.

Really the only one who can talk about absences every year is Pogacar, who has the most demanding calendars in recent years, rancing against everyone on every terrain.
The rest are not in a position to talk about opportunities.

He has raced every WC RC an WC TT since 2019, except when he fell of that bridge. I think he is exceptionally well positioned to comment on anyone asking what he thinks of rivals not racing the WC. He believes it is a missed opportunity for them because it is clearly a very important race for him. I completely agree. It's a disgrace to the sport that top athletes decide not to race a WC. In what other sport does this happen?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

In what other sport does this happen?

Most other sports aren't so dependant on widely varying courses and conditions of course.

 

[peterfin]

Most other sports aren't so dependant on widely varying courses and conditions of course.

I agree but I still believe it should be a goal of the sport to have its best riders competing at the WC. They should make the course hard but the climbing within limits and with some yearly variations in intensity so chances to win are better than zero for the heavier guys. There should be a clear incentive to have the top UCI ranked riders to participate too. If cycling wants to increase its credibility, the WC is a starting point. We can't expect to get interest from non-traditional cycling countries if the top stars are missing on the event that in most sports is considered the main event of the year.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It's a disgrace to the sport that top athletes decide not to race a WC. In what other sport does this happen?

I would suggest that the Berlin marathon last weekend had a better field than the world championships a few days earlier.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I agree but I still believe it should be a goal of the sport to have its best riders competing at the WC. They should make the course hard but the climbing within limits and with some yearly variations in intensity so chances to win are better than zero for the heavier guys. There should be a clear incentive to have the top UCI ranked riders to participate too. If cycling wants to increase its credibility, the WC is a starting point. We can't expect to get interest from non-traditional cycling countries if the top stars are missing on the event that in most sports is considered the main event of the year.

On UCI rankings, 2nd and 3rd places are currently filled by Jonas Vingegaard and Mads Pedersen. What course is going to attract both of them?