Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[vappaxbipmv]

You think it's logical to call someone who wins a GT and podiums the TDF not a GT rider?

If anything, he's the hills specialist who can also do a very good GT

 

[AmRacer]

You think it's logical to call someone who wins a GT and podiums the TDF not a GT rider?

Is GC Kuss a GT rider?

 

[AmRacer]

If anything, he's the hills specialist who can also do a very good GT

His superior ITT helps getting a good GT result.

 

[kingjr]

All the highest W/kg estimates are 6-7% climbs, which basically should spell "Overestimates CdA" in letters in the fontsize of the Hollywood sign.

I believe I heard some sports scientist say on a German podcast the other day that people tend to push their biggest W/kg numbers on climbs of 5-8%. As in measured, not estimated.

 

[Berniece]

I believe I heard some sports scientist say on a German podcast the other day that people tend to push their biggest W/kg numbers on climbs of 5-8%. As in measured, not estimated.

Evenepoel said something similar. His best efforts are 15-25min efforts at 5-6%

 

[Sciatic]

Why isn't he racing Strade Bianche?
Will he be at altitude?

Wants to avoid flashbacks to his performance on strade bianchi in that 1st Giro attempt?

 

[houtdffan]

Evenepoel said something similar. His best efforts are 15-25min efforts at 5-6%

which is why stage 6 at the TDF may suit him a bit more than Pog

 

[Red Rick]

I believe I heard some sports scientist say on a German podcast the other day that people tend to push their biggest W/kg numbers on climbs of 5-8%. As in measured, not estimated.

Doesn't mean they're not overestimated.

As far as I know they've been using the same formula forever which just makes CdA a standard number and never takes into account drafting behind more than one rider.

 

[KZD]

which is why stage 6 at the TDF may suit him a bit more than Pog

No, Pogačar is also a beast on 5-8% gradients and 20 minute efforts, he will likely destroy everyone on that stage, Remco included.

 

[Berniece]

which is why stage 6 at the TDF may suit him a bit more than Pog

I don’t know, doubt he can drop Pogacar

 

[Krzysztof_O]

which is why stage 6 at the TDF may suit him a bit more than Pog

UAE and Pogacar can make an absolute carnage on Tourmalet. There'll be shreds on the steep, upper part of this climb (maybe Vingo will be close or maybe not). Pogi can make a big statement on this day with a solo win (it's also possible that he & Vingo will cooperate if the Dane is suddenly strong enough to match Pog).

 

[Berniece]

UAE and Pogacar can make an absolute carnage on Tourmalet. There'll be shreds on the steep, upper part of this climb (maybe Vingo will be close or maybe not). Pogi can make a big statement on this day with a solo win (it's also possible that he & Vingo will cooperate if the Dane is suddenly strong enough to match Pog).

Would be dumb of Vingegaard. After last two years I would let Pogacar do as much of the effort as possible

 

[vappaxbipmv]

His superior ITT helps getting a good GT result.

I agree but it's unfair to call him GT rider first when he's much better at hilly races or ITTs

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Would be dumb of Vingegaard. After last two years I would let Pogacar do as much of the effort as possible

Not necessarily dumb. Okay, he probably loses the sprint and 4 bonus seconds but he gains additional time on everyone else and basically reduces fight for 1st to 2 people

 

[Berniece]

Not necessarily dumb. Okay, he probably loses the sprint and 4 bonus seconds but he gains additional time on everyone else and basically reduces fight for 1st to 2 people

But he is the 2nd best easily, so you can always secure that place however you want

 

[Red Rick]

The only correct strategy in that hypothetical scenario is "decide in the moment based on various factors" and not "always cooperate" or "always suckwheel"

 

[vappaxbipmv]

But he is the 2nd best easily, so you can always secure that place however you want

It's not about securing 2nd, it's about reducing first for 1st to 2 people

 

[Berniece]

It's not about securing 2nd, it's about reducing first for 1st to 2 people

Making sure you are top 2, which you already have, while reducing odds to be number 1. Smart

 

[KoopaCycling]

Yeah if you're Vingegaard the last thing you want to do is the same as last 2 years, as it only helped Pogacar. They should make the race hard with the Visma team only when Pogacar is already on the attack and use the Visma train to chase him down or when Pogacar visible tired. If you're alone with him, you don't ride at all. it looks bad, but you don't ride. you want to keep other riders close to keep Pogacar under pressure from more riders than just yourself. You don't want to simplify it for him and make it so Pogacar only needs to look at you (Jonas). You want UAE and Pogacar to need to be aware of Remco, Lipo, Onley, Seixas, ... of the world. So no making stages hard and all that stuff. Maybe even purposely give the green light to rivals not named Pogacar.

 

[AmRacer]

Yeah if you're Vingegaard the last thing you want to do is the same as last 2 years, as it only helped Pogacar. They should make the race hard with the Visma team only when Pogacar is already on the attack and use the Visma train to chase him down or when Pogacar visible tired. If you're alone with him, you don't ride at all. it looks bad, but you don't ride. you want to keep other riders close to keep Pogacar under pressure from more riders than just yourself. You don't want to simplify it for him and make it so Pogacar only needs to look at you (Jonas). You want UAE and Pogacar to need to be awar of Remco, Lipo, Onley, Seixas, ... of the world. So no making stages hard and all that stuff.

No train can chase down Pogi when he attacks in the mountains.

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Making sure you are top 2, which you already have, while reducing odds to be number 1. Smart

If you let the followers come back you don't increase your odds of being 1st either. You just allow more riders into contention. What if Pogacar has to abandon and Remco beats Jonas because Giro, knowing that Jonas could take time on him on this particular stage. Pretty idiotic not to take time if you can

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Yeah if you're Vingegaard the last thing you want to do is the same as last 2 years, as it only helped Pogacar. They should make the race hard with the Visma team only when Pogacar is already on the attack and use the Visma train to chase him down or when Pogacar visible tired. If you're alone with him, you don't ride at all. it looks bad, but you don't ride. you want to keep other riders close to keep Pogacar under pressure from more riders than just yourself. You don't want to simplify it for him and make it so Pogacar only needs to look at you (Jonas). You want UAE and Pogacar to need to be aware of Remco, Lipo, Onley, Seixas, ... of the world. So no making stages hard and all that stuff. Maybe even purposely give the green light to rivals not named Pogacar.

The best way for Jonas to beat Pogacar is to guarantee 2nd and hope he has to abandon for whatever reason. After already riding Giro and not taking time when he could, it's quite possible he doesn't win as a result, even if Pogacar has to drop out

 

[Berniece]

If you let the followers come back you don't increase your odds of being 1st either. You just allow more riders into contention. What if Pogacar has to abandon and Remco beats Jonas because Giro, knowing that Jonas could take time on him on this particular stage. Pretty idiotic not to take time if you can

So he isn't by default finishing second? Which was the whole premise, and what everyone keeps saying

 

[AmRacer]

So he isn't by default finishing second? Which was the whole premise, and what everyone keeps saying

Almost default, we don't know what the Giro will do to him.

 

[KoopaCycling]

If you let the followers come back you don't increase your odds of being 1st either. You just allow more riders into contention. What if Pogacar has to abandon and Remco beats Jonas because Giro, knowing that Jonas could take time on him on this particular stage. Pretty idiotic not to take time if you can

Yes you do. Cause if Remco was given the green light on a semi hilly stage from Visma, and for some reason Pogacar is caught offguard (unlikely but it's a hypothetical) and remco takes a couple of minutes. Pogacar and UAE would need to counter and burn fuel on every Remco attack. Whilst Vingegaard can sit up and follow. Keeping more people in contention and putting Pogacar in choice trouble, not allowing simplification is a far better strategy, then reducing it to a 1vs1 and hope for the best.