Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Meanwhile, what's the conspiracy theory about why Rogoberto Uran didn't wait til tomorrow morning to pull out of the Giro?

Give Mick a break, he's almost 80.

 

[houtdffan]

I'd honestly expected him to say no straight away

He also strongly implied if Remco wants to do the tour, Remco will do the tour

 

[Red Rick]

SQS doctor now criticizing COVID protocols of the Giro organisation when I've barely seen anyone wearing a mask around Evenepoel, including himself.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Really? No way he comes out and says, "we aren't strong enough to support him in the Tour".

He doesn't have to say that. He could just use common sense and say that now he has to rest/heal, that there isn't enough time for a new build-up and so basically Evenepoel would need to prolong his form from Liège 3 weeks ago, to the WCC in nearly 3 months. Evenepoel going to the TDF for stagehunting makes little sense, because there is noone who wants to ride with him. Going for GC is hopeless because he will not be optimally prepped and his entire support team is in the Giro. This is not the same as crashing out of the Tour and going to the Vuelta and bringing your B-team.

 

[Salvarani]

SQS now criticizing COVID protocols of the Giro organisation when I've barely seen anyone wearing a mask around Evenepoel, including himself.

That is just ridiculous.

Have they lost the plot a little bit at SQS this season?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

SQS now criticizing COVID protocols of the Giro organisation when I've barely seen anyone wearing a mask around Evenepoel, including himself.

I haven't read what you are referring to, but i heard the main problem was mainly small press environments, too many people too close to each other, not enough space between riders and journalists...

 

[peterfin]

SQS now criticizing COVID protocols of the Giro organisation when I've barely seen anyone wearing a mask around Evenepoel, including himself.

Source? I just read an article where Lefevre says he is not criticizing the Giro organisation, that it's basically up to the teams and spokespersons of the riders to demand it if they want it.

 

[how yes no?]

So this idiot was a Slovenian pro from 1996-2005? With friends like this Rog and Pog don't need enemies. A credit to the image of Slovenian cycling.

I would put my left hand in the fire for the intelligence of this man, even if I have never met him in my life and he's one of few people I know by name, where I would be prepared to do this.
His take is extra controversial and I won't go as far as to stand behind the take, but it's one of the few times he would make such quotes.
Compared to Lefevere, he's quite a few levels above I dare argue.

 

[houtdffan]

He doesn't have to say that. He could just use common sense and say that now he has to rest/heal, that there isn't enough time for a new build-up and so basically Evenepoel would need to prolong his form from Liège 3 weeks ago, to the WCC in nearly 3 months. Evenepoel going to the TDF for stagehunting makes little sense, because there is noone who wants to ride with him. Going for GC is hopeless because he will not be optimally prepped and his entire support team is in the Giro. This is not the same as crashing out of the Tour and going to the Vuelta and bringing your B-team.

Remco kept form last year from LBL through the worlds. The TDS was heat stroke induced

Remco, like Pog, isn't one who goes full Lance and builds up to a peak and is dogshit the rest of the year

 

[Sciatic]

Meanwhile, what's the conspiracy theory about why Rogoberto Uran didn't wait til tomorrow morning to pull out of the Giro?

Perfect!

 

[Riek s]

It's not that much about his claims, but about the claims others (fans) make about him.
They (you?) (at least indirectly) claim he is the best in the world, no competition.
He would need to set bigger goals to back that up, its close to what someone above has said, he only races the races where team and him have a strong belief he can win and if he by any chance doesn't, there must be some explanation, that very rarely includes him just not being good enough, which makes it looks like an excuse, which is a problem in it's own, because if he was not regarded as the best, he would need no excuse in the first place.

If he would be regarded the way I just wrote that I regard him, I (for example, but I don't count myself as his anti-fan) would have no problem whatsoever with any of his fans, and would cheer along with them.

Nobody here (except maybe houtdfan?, the illmaestro but then for Remco) is saying Remco is unbeatable and the best in the world. One of his most known fans on this forum has been rather outspoken that atm Pog is the best in the world. Most fans believe he can be up there with Pog and the others, but that doesn't make him unbeatable, no competition, that just means he can battle with the best.

Even for the initial TT we still favored Kung or Ganna ftw... Most of us even give Roglic a fghting chance by losing <20seconds.

I think most people read what they want to read given a bias. Because the hopes are high, but the realism isn't... And against Remco i see a lot of misperception about every word he says. Its like the gen Z generation that is offended by a fart. (altough there are 70 year olds who have those brainfarts). I understand people who say what they want or are more impulsive in their reactions are drawing more extremes. That doesn't make it more justified though.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Remco kept form last year from LBL through the worlds. The TDS was heat stroke induced

Remco, like Pog, isn't one who goes full Lance and builds up to a peak and is dogshit the rest of the year

SSB to WCC was 2 months
Liège to WCC would be 3.5 months

There should be a question, why he even has anti-fans, big part of the answer also explains their behaviour.
I would hazzard in the direction, that people like big claims backed up. There is no shame in not being the best if you don't claim you're the best. If you say, anyone can claim anything, it just means that their claims are worthless in the first place. Please don't try to read more than what I wrote.
I regard him as a very good cyclist, one of the best of the young generation, who will probably dominate many TTs for years to come and also be a very considerable force in the hilly classics, a probable 4-5 star favourite each time. I don't yet have an opinon on his GT future, but it seems likely he'll not stay only at the vuelta win if he will keep trying, but he has not yet shown the level necessary to win a tour vs current level of competition (or any GT with top-level competition).

I think the level he has reached already justified the hype he got in 2018. Merckx or not. At age 22 he won a monument, a GT and a WCC. The "he needs to prove himself" bullsht is over. Yet over the course of 5 years, not only his fans, but also he himself has been ridiculed every time something didn't work out, when he didn't succeed at something from a first try. However annoying people perceive the behaviour of his fans, what you get now is simply a reaction to years of mockery and ridicule. And as such we are now caught in a loop.

How you rate him is your business. I rate him as one of the two best cyclists in the world, even if he doesn't excel at everything or if he isn't the (second) best at everything. He is a phenomenon.

 

[Extinction]

I would put my left hand in the fire for the intelligence of this man, even if I have never met him in my life and he's one of few people I know by name, where I would be prepared to do this.
His take is extra controversial and I won't go as far as to stand behind the take, but it's one of the few times he would make such quotes.
Compared to Lefevere, he's quite a few levels above I dare argue.

He makes baseless claims as innuendos that are only intended to discredit the object of his derision, whist being the national coach of a flag rider he supports. It's more than stupid. Remco is clearly unwell and his body can't continue the fight. Soudal doesn't invest millions in him to pull out on a ruse. It's just crazy nonesense.

 

[jmdirt]

He makes baseless claims as innuendos that are only intended to discredit the object of his derision, whist being the national coach of a flag rider he supports. It's more than stupid. Remco is clearly unwell and his body can't continue the fight. Soudal doesn't invest millions in him to pull out on a ruse. It's just crazy nonesense.

^^^^^

 

[Gargamel35]

He makes baseless claims as innuendos that are only intended to discredit the object of his derision, whist being the national coach of a flag rider he supports. It's more than stupid. Remco is clearly unwell and his body can't continue the fight. Soudal doesn't invest millions in him to pull out on a ruse. It's just crazy nonesense.

I would believe a man in his position and background knows a lot more about cycling and what is happening behind the scenes then any fan on this forum. He's a man with a lot of integrity but usually says things he belives or knows loud if people like it or not. Simmilar to Belgium guy you like a lot.. And many Belgium reporters also. I see no problem.

Bigger problem is some Belgium guy that calls himself reporter (youtuber) that is crazy about Remco and now tries to get clicks and views by steering the pot.

 

[Berniece]

I would believe a man in his position and background knows a lot more about cycling and what is happening behind the scenes then any fan on this forum. He's a man with a lot of integrity but usually says things he belives or knows loud if people like it or not. Simmilar to Belgium guy you like a lot.. And many Belgium reporters also. I see no problem.

He comes off as extremely crazy at the moment.

 

[Gargamel35]

He comes off as extremely crazy at the moment.

He always had his moments. But he's usually not wrong...

 

[Bonimenier]

He always had his moments. But he's usually not wrong...

So far he's been wrong 100% of the time I've read his name.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I would believe a man in his position and background knows a lot more about cycling and what is happening behind the scenes then any fan on this forum. He's a man with a lot of integrity but usually says things he belives or knows loud if people like it or not. Simmilar to Belgium guy you like a lot.. And many Belgium reporters also. I see no problem.

Bigger problem is some Belgium guy that calls himself reporter (youtuber) that is crazy about Remco and now tries to get clicks and views by steering the pot.

You mean the Belgian guy who has a topic on this forum to mock him?
As for a man of his position and background knowing a lot more about cycling and what goes on behind the scenes, i doubt that. Before the Mohoric, Roglic, Pogacar generation, Slovenian cycling was at the level of local amateur races in the rest of Europe. And even if he actually does know what he's talking about, clearly he is completely gone bonkers with this statement, and should be called out for it.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I'd honestly expected him to say no straight away

Oh dear, is Lefevre gonna try to turn this into a PR-stunt for the sponsors/to get more attention (and money, it's lowball Lefevre after all)?

 

[Berniece]

He always had his moments. But he's usually not wrong...

Sure, Remco stopped because his ego can't handle a beating... And apparently SQS goes along with that, because they're only paying him millions to not ride a bike.

Also on top of that Ganna was also scared of Remco for the TT, so he also just faked his COVID so he could stop, and Pogacar fell on purpose during LBL.

 

[Riek s]

Sure, Remco stopped because his ego can't handle a beating... And apparently SQS goes along with that, because they're only paying him millions to not ride a bike.

Also on top of that Ganna was also scared of Remco for the TT, so he also just faked his COVID so he could stop, and Pogacar fell on purpose during LBL.

Ah that explains why the hole where pog wheel exploded was marked.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Sure, Remco stopped because his ego can't handle a beating... And apparently SQS goes along with that, because they're only paying him millions to not ride a bike.

Also on top of that Ganna was also scared of Remco for the TT, so he also just faked his COVID so he could stop, and Pogacar fell on purpose during LBL.

Now it all makes sense Ganna didn't want to be owned in another ITT, Uran gave up after being beaten by Hugh Carthy in the time trial and Remco feared getting beat by Grunt Thomas.
Covid has nothing to with it and the earth is still flat.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

He doesn't have to say that. He could just use common sense and say that now he has to rest/heal, that there isn't enough time for a new build-up and so basically Evenepoel would need to prolong his form from Liège 3 weeks ago, to the WCC in nearly 3 months. Evenepoel going to the TDF for stagehunting makes little sense, because there is noone who wants to ride with him. Going for GC is hopeless because he will not be optimally prepped and his entire support team is in the Giro. This is not the same as crashing out of the Tour and going to the Vuelta and bringing your B-team.

I think we're in conplete agreement.

 

[entre nous]

He is a phenomenon.

He is good, obviously above the average, but he is NOT a phenomenon. He came on top in a well-oiled flemish cycling school. If it was not him there'd be someone else in his place. Belgium will always produce cyclists just like Austria or Norway do with skiers.

If you like the word, keep it for someone like Biniam Girmay.