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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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Not sure why Evenepoel needs to be compared to any specific rider?
Not because we need, but because we can :)


If we just assume Remco is at 1/3rd of his career (10 more years to go, 5 pro years already behind), he will be better in terms of:
1. professional wins
2. PCS points
3. points per km
4. points in TT
5. points in classics.

However, if Remco continues his trajectory, it will be far from sure if he can best Vincenzo in GC points.
 
If viewers listen to guys like Kirby saying Remco rose out of the ashes on those breakaway wins then it’s out there. I don’t think serious fans who understand the sport feel that way but the idea that he had one “unlucky” bad day and was indubitably strong otherwise is probably not too uncommon.
Spured on by Remco's careful avoidance of going head to head with any of the GC contenders for the last 8 days of the Vuelta.
 
Evenepoel should IMO follow a 'normal' race schedule next season towards the Tour: Paris-Nice, Itzulia, Ardennes, altitude camp, Dauphiné, Tour.

Depending how well he does in that little lot, the hype should be at completely normal levels going into the Tour. I think this is a rider who should definitely go & face Vingegaard & Pog as early as possible next season in the one week stage races, i.e. so that his level versus those two monsters is easier to judge before the TdF.
 
Evenpoel enjoyed last couple of seasons as the Belgium's best Grand Tour contender. This had some negative sides, such as the pressure of the Belgian press and public, and I think he crumbled over this pressure from time to time. I think next season it should be much easier for him, cause he'll be no longer Belgian top contender in those races, much better, natural climber is coming into scene, Cian Uijtdebroeks.
So I hope Remco will maybe perform better without this huge pressure he's carrying.
 
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Except for that demanding WC. Normally that is something you do after the Vuelta. I didn't check but I think the Vuelta top 10 was not present.
Almeida and Buitrago were present.
Kuss rode two Grand Tours as a prep.
Vingegaard and Landa rode Tour as a prep.
Mas crashed haevily at the Tour.
Ayuso crashed twice in his prep races for Vuelta.
Roglic, Vlasov and Uijtdebroeks had "so called" ideal prep.
 
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Que the, but the Olympics aren't the WCC in 3,2.....
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He won the Vuelta against Mas and Haig with a helper like Sepp Kuss.

He didn’t face a formidable team of any opponent like JV with Vingegaard and Roglic (and Kuss).

So I would say roglic 2021 had much worse competition compared to any non-jumbo rider in 2023… Roglic couldn’t even beat his team mates in 2023…! 😉
 
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He won the Vuelta against Mas and Haig with a helper like Sepp Kuss.

He didn’t face a formidable team of any opponent like JV with Vingegaard and Roglic (and Kuss).

So I would say roglic 2021 had much worse competition compared to any non-jumbo rider in 2023… Roglic couldn’t even beat his team mates in 2023…! 😉
He won much more convincingly over Mas than Evenepoel did last year.
 
Yeah not seeing that either. He made the most of what really was a fail. Exciting, entertaining, redemptive to a point, but ultimately, against his goals and expectations, a fail.
And with his tail between his legs, he avoided all confrontations with the best climbers in the race after he dropped on Aubisque. That was as telling as the day in France was.
 
That's because he had Kuss as a helper.. :tearsofjoy:
I had to unblock the post you were reacting on. It seems that poster firmly believes Mas was at the same level in 2021 as in 2022.

Anyways, it’s clear a less-than-ideal prepared roglic won in 2021, and an ideally prepared roglic in 2023 couldn’t even beat his own team mates. This clearly indicates 2023 had much stronger competition, and mentioning roglic won in 2021 despite bad prep, and comparing this to Remco in 2023, is really apples vs oranges.
Jumbo basically destroyed the competition with both superb riders and a superb team this year. They reminded me of the best team sky or the Astana 2014 team in the giro.
 
No worse than the usual prep for Vuelta contenders.
Don't see how anyone could come to that conclusion. Roglič, for example, had idea prep this year. Vingegaard no, but at least uninterrupted since the Tour.

Evenepoel never had the Vuelta in his plans until COVID, and the Worlds TT was the goal. That was his peak. He did his best to re-ramp for the Vuelta and peak again. While I think not horrible prep, certainly not optimal. Much worse than his prep last year for the Vuelta or this year for the Giro. That's all anyone is saying.
 
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And with his tail between his legs, he avoided all confrontations with the best climbers in the race after he dropped on Aubisque. That was as telling as the day in France was.
That sounds more about you than him. He collapsed on the Aubisque, then animated the race almost every day afterwards, making the most he could of the race. Great rider to watch. If you think a guy like that avoids "confrontations" (I'd call it competition) with the best, well I'll wonder a bit if you've had little or no competitive athletics in your background.
 
That sounds more about you than him. He collapsed on the Aubisque, then animated the race almost every day afterwards, making the most he could of the race. Great rider to watch. If you think a guy like that avoids "confrontations" (I'd call it competition) with the best, well I'll wonder a bit if you've had little or no competitive athletics in your background.
On which specific climb after Aubisque did he challenge Vingegaard and Rogla?