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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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It’s weird roglic took so much time on everyone in the second part as he lost at least 12-15 seconds with his mishap!
After a crash, especially when the body knows that it isn't really injured, the adrenaline that kicks in can easily make you ride harder than you realize. Remco probably overcooked his initial post crash effort and paid for it a bit in the second half.
 
You criticize Remco for stupid crashes. A bit ironic you mention being a mountain biker and suggesting Remco is a poor bike handler when the Olympic mtb champion crashed out today? Double standards for Remco it seems.
Not sure what's bothering you about my comments, they're coming off as weirdly defensive. It's not like I come on this site and rail against Remco, I'm actually quite a fan. And I don't think critique of his bike-handling is exactly a groundbreaking opinion. It needs to get better. I'm critiquing what I see as a pattern, not an isolated incident.

Pidcock, who I never mentioned and who you oddly bring up to paint me as having a double standard, is a freaking phenomenal bike-handler. It's literally his defining characteristic. So no, obviously I don't have criticism for Pidcock's bike handling. It's awesome. He's one of the most fun riders to watch in the peloton. Everyone crashes at some point.

Probably best not to assume I'm someone ranting about Remco (or anyone) and we'll have a more productive discourse.
 
I think Pidcock screws up more than you realise, the difference is that he is not under a microscope like Evenepoel is.
Whatever “screws up” means. I wasn’t talking about Pidcock.

@Volderke . All I’m saying is that for me, as a fan, the lack of bike handling is losing me a bit at this point. I like great bike handling, I think it’s an under appreciated component of the sport. IMO it’s costing him way too much.

If that’s not a big deal to you, fine! You think his bike handling isn’t an issue? We disagree. Peace. ✌️
 
Whatever “screws up” means. I wasn’t talking about Pidcock.

@Volderke . All I’m saying is that for me, as a fan, the lack of bike handling is losing me a bit at this point. I like great bike handling, I think it’s an under appreciated component of the sport. IMO it’s costing him way too much.

If that’s not a big deal to you, fine! You think his bike handling isn’t an issue? We disagree. Peace. ✌️
It just seemed ironic to focus on Remco's hubris / bad bike handling , while one of the best bike handlers in the peloton (Pidcock) was taken out by a gust of wind, on the very same course, during his recon.
 
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It just seemed ironic to focus on Remco's hubris / bad bike handling , while one of the best bike handlers in the peloton (Pidcock) was taken out by a gust of wind, on the very same course, during his recon.
I never used the word hubris or remotely implied it. Very odd comment.

For the rest, I’ve addressed it. If it still seems ironic to you, such is life. Cheers.
 
Of course. However, some people crash their bikes a lot, some people ride over a mud-slathered Koppenberg to a win. For some riders, bike-handling is more a weakness than for others.



Hard disagreement, that's way too binary for me. The ability to both go really fast and stay upright is kinda core to winning bike races. The first times it happened I didn't have much to say. Keeps happening. It's starting to become a pattern. Hope it's not always the case, but hard to see him ever becoming an excellent or even good bike handler at this point.
Yea, but when your arsehole is twitching at 50 k an hour into the curves you either stay upright because you are insane or you crash because you are insane. Herein lies the difference.
 
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On descents or when alone there are two main factors: ability and willingness to push it. Pidcock mostly crashes because of the latter.
I disagree, these two points are one and the same. You push beyond your ability, you pay for it. Doesn't matter whether you have a little or a lot of ability.

And in this case, Pidcock apparently just got a bad gust of wind. Sounds like a weird excuse but it is hypothetically possible to have some bad luck e.g. a front flat at the wrong time.
 
That's like saying income and expenditures are one and the same. You spend more than you earn, it will result in a deficit.

In that sense, sure.
It was a meaningless statement, since it is true for everyone, regardless of how good they actually are and thus not helping to differentiate good from bad bike handlers. Red Flanders' point was that he crashes too often. Yet someone like Pidcock crashes just as often, while supposedly a better bike handler. So the issue is in fact not how good a bike handler a rider is, but how often he pushes past his abilities.
 
It was a meaningless statement, since it is true for everyone, regardless of how good they actually are and thus not helping to differentiate good from bad bike handlers. Red Flanders' point was that he crashes too often. Yet someone like Pidcock crashes just as often, while supposedly a better bike handler. So the issue is in fact not how good a bike handler a rider is, but how often he pushes past his abilities.
It was?
Took him 10 seconds just to get back on his bike and pedaling. Back up to speed, back in rhythm, crash was easily 20-25+. Plus he's going to be more tentative in the corners after that.

But it is what it is. He makes a lot of mistakes, both tactically and in bike handling. He's just not controlled, he rides still too much on emotion. Some emotion is great, I certainly don't want him to become passive and predictable, his emotion is a big part of his personality and his appeal. But he's not smoothing out those edges and figuring the details it takes to win at this point, and it's been more than long enough.

As an avid mountain biker, it's harder for me to continue be a fan of a guy with such bike-handling errors. He's starting to bug me a bit. I want him to win, but you just can't beat the top guys doing stupid stuff like this in a TT. Not the first crash like this in an important TT.
 
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It was a meaningless statement, since it is true for everyone, regardless of how good they actually are and thus not helping to differentiate good from bad bike handlers. Red Flanders' point was that he crashes too often. Yet someone like Pidcock crashes just as often, while supposedly a better bike handler. So the issue is in fact not how good a bike handler a rider is, but how often he pushes past his abilities.
"Supposedly a better bike handler". :D:D:D

Good, good stuff.

And again. My comments about Remco have squat to do with Pidcock. They were about...wait for it...Remco. How I view his riding. How other people handle a bike has nothing to do with Remco's bike-handling as it limits his particular ambitions. Or potential. Or palmares. Why limit my obvious double-standard to Pidcock! MVDP crashed into a pole a couple months ago! Why don't I go after him? Or every other rider? If I dare say a mildly critical thing about Remco, we must defend!

But do bang on.