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Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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I can't find it, just a picture of him with a cut on his skinsuit.
It's on Sporza.be

 
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It's on Sporza.be

I saw it now. He lost around 10 seconds from when he slipped to the when he started pedaling again. Not a sure win without the crash, but definitely would have been close. Thankfully it looked pretty slow speed.
 
Remco probably lost around 30 to 35 seconds by falling. Not only the fall, but he also had to get back on speed again and readjust psychologically.
The TT wasn't flat but was short, explosive, with some cobbles sections, also with some short climbs. Those factors equalize more the perfomance between Remco and guys like Roglic.

Roglic already did a TT very similar with the TT of today against Remco in Tour basque country 2022. He beat him by 5 s.

If the TT were flat, naturally Remco would had won. These short, hilly and explosive TTs benefit Roglic.
 
Remco probably lost around 30 to 35 seconds by falling. Not only the fall, but he also had to get back on speed again and readjust psychologically.
I think 15 seconds at most. I estimate Roglic Roglic' mishap, around 12-15 seconds, so if both of them rode flawlessly, Roglic would have won with Remco + (approx) 10 seconds and all others +20 seconds and more, so a very convincing victory by Roglic on Remco and ofcourse all others.
 
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I think 15 seconds at most. I estimate Roglic Roglic' mishap, around 12-15 seconds, so if both of them rode flawlessly, Roglic would have won with Remco + (approx) 10 seconds and all others +20 seconds and more, so a very convincing victory by Roglic on Remco and ofcourse all others.
Took him 10 seconds just to get back on his bike and pedaling. Back up to speed, back in rhythm, crash was easily 20-25+. Plus he's going to be more tentative in the corners after that.

But it is what it is. He makes a lot of mistakes, both tactically and in bike handling. He's just not controlled, he rides still too much on emotion. Some emotion is great, I certainly don't want him to become passive and predictable, his emotion is a big part of his personality and his appeal. But he's not smoothing out those edges and figuring the details it takes to win at this point, and it's been more than long enough.

As an avid mountain biker, it's harder for me to continue be a fan of a guy with such bike-handling errors. He's starting to bug me a bit. I want him to win, but you just can't beat the top guys doing stupid stuff like this in a TT. Not the first crash like this in an important TT.
 
Going full tilt is always an exercize in hedging your bets, sometimes it works, at others it ends in disaster. Nothing is garaunteed.
Of course. However, some people crash their bikes a lot, some people ride over a mud-slathered Koppenberg to a win. For some riders, bike-handling is more a weakness than for others.

If you fall you were reckless, if you don't you were too prudent. But prudence does not win against this competition.

Hard disagreement, that's way too binary for me. The ability to both go really fast and stay upright is kinda core to winning bike races. The first times it happened I didn't have much to say. Keeps happening. It's starting to become a pattern. Hope it's not always the case, but hard to see him ever becoming an excellent or even good bike handler at this point.
 
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I think the fall costs him more. It’s not only falling, getting back on the bike and back to speed. It’s the impact it has on your muscles, on your mental state to get back into the zone, etc.
It was in a curve, so there wasn't much speed lost during the crash and restarting. And to get back into the zone... --> the crash happened 200 meters in, so not exactly in the zone yet.
 
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We will never know. It was a slow corner, so crashing, getting back up and back to the speed he would have carried out that corner otherwise, it would probably have been 15 seconds he lost, 20 max.
The bigger issue is that he likely overpaced because of the crash (he even lost time in the second part of the TT to riders he gained on in the first part despite his crash) and will probably have lost additional time in the corners. Overall 20 seconds lost seems very likely, more is quite possible but hard to make claims on.
 
I think 15 seconds at most. I estimate Roglic Roglic' mishap, around 12-15 seconds, so if both of them rode flawlessly, Roglic would have won with Remco + (approx) 10 seconds and all others +20 seconds and more, so a very convincing victory by Roglic on Remco and ofcourse all others.
Agree that Remco's time loss looked to be no more than 15 seconds but I don't think Roglic lost even 10 seconds more like 7 or 8.
 
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