Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Netserk]

Had he crashed twice, Vingegaard might have been able to beat him as some predicted!

Who are some?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I can't find it, just a picture of him with a cut on his skinsuit.

It's on Sporza.be

Vroege val verpest de Baskische openingstijdrit van Remco Evenepoel: "Mijn eigen schuld" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel heeft zijn regenboogtrui niet kunnen laten schitteren tijdens de openingsdag van de Ronde van het Baskenland. In de tijdrit van 10 kilometer schoof de wereldkampioen na amper 20 seconden al onderuit in een van de eerste bochten. Hij was zo ook uitgeschakeld voor de dagzege en was...

sporza.be

 

[Red Rick]

Bookies had Evenepoel as better than odds on favorite at on with Ayuso 2nd favorite.

I had expected Evenepoel to win, and I was expecting Roglic to maybe get 2nd but I underestimated the difficulty of the parcours

 

[Valv.Piti]

Looks like a british hooligan these days

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

It's on Sporza.be

Vroege val verpest de Baskische openingstijdrit van Remco Evenepoel: "Mijn eigen schuld" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel heeft zijn regenboogtrui niet kunnen laten schitteren tijdens de openingsdag van de Ronde van het Baskenland. In de tijdrit van 10 kilometer schoof de wereldkampioen na amper 20 seconden al onderuit in een van de eerste bochten. Hij was zo ook uitgeschakeld voor de dagzege en was...

sporza.be

I saw it now. He lost around 10 seconds from when he slipped to the when he started pedaling again. Not a sure win without the crash, but definitely would have been close. Thankfully it looked pretty slow speed.

 

[Salvarani]

Looks like a british hooligan these days

It is the Vinnie Jones special

 

[Andre]

Remco probably lost around 30 to 35 seconds by falling. Not only the fall, but he also had to get back on speed again and readjust psychologically.

 

[Red Rick]

Looks like a british hooligan these days

Teeth are way too straight man

 

[Froome]

Remco probably lost around 30 to 35 seconds by falling. Not only the fall, but he also had to get back on speed again and readjust psychologically.

The TT wasn't flat but was short, explosive, with some cobbles sections, also with some short climbs. Those factors equalize more the perfomance between Remco and guys like Roglic.

Roglic already did a TT very similar with the TT of today against Remco in Tour basque country 2022. He beat him by 5 s.

If the TT were flat, naturally Remco would had won. These short, hilly and explosive TTs benefit Roglic.

 

[Volderke]

Remco probably lost around 30 to 35 seconds by falling. Not only the fall, but he also had to get back on speed again and readjust psychologically.

I think 15 seconds at most. I estimate Roglic Roglic' mishap, around 12-15 seconds, so if both of them rode flawlessly, Roglic would have won with Remco + (approx) 10 seconds and all others +20 seconds and more, so a very convincing victory by Roglic on Remco and ofcourse all others.

 

[Extinction]

A shame he fell, otherwise he would’ve won it. Would also created a more exciting race with him in the lead.

Likely, but how much time did the crash cost him? Let's say 10 secs, Then, in his sorry state, it's close. Either way Primoz Is flying, considering his mishap.

 

[red_flanders]

I think 15 seconds at most. I estimate Roglic Roglic' mishap, around 12-15 seconds, so if both of them rode flawlessly, Roglic would have won with Remco + (approx) 10 seconds and all others +20 seconds and more, so a very convincing victory by Roglic on Remco and ofcourse all others.

Took him 10 seconds just to get back on his bike and pedaling. Back up to speed, back in rhythm, crash was easily 20-25+. Plus he's going to be more tentative in the corners after that.

But it is what it is. He makes a lot of mistakes, both tactically and in bike handling. He's just not controlled, he rides still too much on emotion. Some emotion is great, I certainly don't want him to become passive and predictable, his emotion is a big part of his personality and his appeal. But he's not smoothing out those edges and figuring the details it takes to win at this point, and it's been more than long enough.

As an avid mountain biker, it's harder for me to continue be a fan of a guy with such bike-handling errors. He's starting to bug me a bit. I want him to win, but you just can't beat the top guys doing stupid stuff like this in a TT. Not the first crash like this in an important TT.

 

[Extinction]

Going full tilt is always an exercize in hedging your bets, sometimes it works, at others it ends in disaster. Nothing is garaunteed. If you fall you were reckless, if you don't you were too prudent. But prudence does not win against this competition.

 

[red_flanders]

Going full tilt is always an exercize in hedging your bets, sometimes it works, at others it ends in disaster. Nothing is garaunteed.

Of course. However, some people crash their bikes a lot, some people ride over a mud-slathered Koppenberg to a win. For some riders, bike-handling is more a weakness than for others.

If you fall you were reckless, if you don't you were too prudent. But prudence does not win against this competition.

Hard disagreement, that's way too binary for me. The ability to both go really fast and stay upright is kinda core to winning bike races. The first times it happened I didn't have much to say. Keeps happening. It's starting to become a pattern. Hope it's not always the case, but hard to see him ever becoming an excellent or even good bike handler at this point.

 

[Berniece]

Likely, but how much time did the crash cost him? Let's say 10 secs, Then, in his sorry state, it's close. Either way Primoz Is flying, considering his mishap.

I think the fall costs him more. It’s not only falling, getting back on the bike and back to speed. It’s the impact it has on your muscles, on your mental state to get back into the zone, etc.

 

[Volderke]

I think the fall costs him more. It’s not only falling, getting back on the bike and back to speed. It’s the impact it has on your muscles, on your mental state to get back into the zone, etc.

It was in a curve, so there wasn't much speed lost during the crash and restarting. And to get back into the zone... --> the crash happened 200 meters in, so not exactly in the zone yet.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

We will never know. It was a slow corner, so crashing, getting back up and back to the speed he would have carried out that corner otherwise, it would probably have been 15 seconds he lost, 20 max.
The bigger issue is that he likely overpaced because of the crash (he even lost time in the second part of the TT to riders he gained on in the first part despite his crash) and will probably have lost additional time in the corners. Overall 20 seconds lost seems very likely, more is quite possible but hard to make claims on.

 

[Froome]

Had he crashed twice, Vingegaard might have been able to beat him as some predicted!

If i didn't said that, i don't believe someone said that. Give us a name.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I think 15 seconds at most. I estimate Roglic Roglic' mishap, around 12-15 seconds, so if both of them rode flawlessly, Roglic would have won with Remco + (approx) 10 seconds and all others +20 seconds and more, so a very convincing victory by Roglic on Remco and ofcourse all others.

Agree that Remco's time loss looked to be no more than 15 seconds but I don't think Roglic lost even 10 seconds more like 7 or 8.

 

[Lexman]

Remco will be a good leadout for Landa ...

 

[Karl Merckx]

If the TT were flat, naturally Remco would had won. These short, hilly and explosive TTs benefit Roglic.

Idk REv was faster in the first part of the course with the two climbs, and mainly lost time in the second part.

 

[Volderke]

As an avid mountain biker, it's harder for me to continue be a fan of a guy with such bike-handling errors. He's starting to bug me a bit. I want him to win, but you just can't beat the top guys doing stupid stuff like this in a TT. Not the first crash like this in an important TT.

I guess the fellow avid mountain biker Thomas Pidcock bugs you even more now?

 

[Volderke]

Idk REv was faster in the first part of the course with the two climbs, and mainly lost time in the second part.

It’s weird roglic took so much time on everyone in the second part as he lost at least 12-15 seconds with his mishap!

 

[red_flanders]

I guess the fellow avid mountain biker Thomas Pidcock bugs you even more now?

Would we say Pidcock is a poor bike handler? That he often crashes? Or that he's one of the best bike handlers we've all ever seen?

 

[ManicJack]

It’s weird roglic took so much time on everyone in the second part as he lost at least 12-15 seconds with his mishap!

After a crash, especially when the body knows that it isn't really injured, the adrenaline that kicks in can easily make you ride harder than you realize. Remco probably overcooked his initial post crash effort and paid for it a bit in the second half.