Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Berniece]

However, the main benefit of not being challenged by peak Jonas may be for Pogi and his team. It maybe due to recensy bias but I can't see how it will be easier for Remco or Roglic this Tour if you see Pogi being better than ever?

He might collapse in the third week

 

[peterfin]

He might collapse in the third week

If he focusses on stage wins and is continuously triggered by attacks of other big boys that may be a risk. Also WVA and MvdP are racing and add to all the distractions he gets.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Except that Tour he lost to the Danish Kid. Now that Jonas is in the same situation it may repay both Pogi and Remco with an easier playing field?

Pog's crumbling in last year's TDF was undoubtedly linked to his preparation, but it remains to be seen (let's hope next year they will face off in prime condition) whether he would have beaten him otherwise. I've grown more convinced that he would not have won last year's LBL either, after a long classics season and already showing serious signs of weakness during Amstel.

Evenepoel on the other hand not only missed out on his big 2020 goals, but also all his 2021 goals. Looking at the way he was riding in 2020 up til then, and in 2022, it's quite unrealistic to argue he would not have won any of those (2x Lombardia, 2x Giro, 2x WCC RR, 2x WCC ITT, OG RR, OG ITT, 2x LBL), had he not crashed.

But again, mostly besides the point i was making. It was not just a setback in terms of time and wins for Evenepoel, but also development. He was 20 when he broke his hip, quite a different matter for a cyclist than being 24 and breaking your wrist.

 

[kingjr]

Pog's crumbling in last year's TDF was undoubtedly linked to his preparation, but it remains to be seen (let's hope next year they will face off in prime condition) whether he would have beaten him otherwise. I've grown more convinced that he would not have won last year's LBL either, after a long classics season and already showing serious signs of weakness during Amstel.

Evenepoel on the other hand not only missed out on his big 2020 goals, but also all his 2021 goals. Looking at the way he was riding in 2020 up til then, and in 2022, it's quite unrealistic to argue he would not have won any of those (2x Lombardia, 2x Giro, 2x WCC RR, 2x WCC ITT, OG RR, OG ITT, 2x LBL), had he not crashed.

But again, mostly besides the point i was making. It was not just a setback in terms of time and wins for Evenepoel, but also development. He was 20 when he broke his hip, quite a different matter for a cyclist than being 24 and breaking your wrist.

How would Evenepoel have beaten him in LBL? I can imagine him being slightly stronger, but he would have had to be considerably stronger to drop him. And in a sprint, while not hopeless, he would always have been second favourite. So, it's not impossible, but I didn't see anything to convince me, especially given that we didn't see even one second of Pogacar in action during the race.

 

[AmRacer]

Pog's crumbling in last year's TDF was undoubtedly linked to his preparation, but it remains to be seen (let's hope next year they will face off in prime condition) whether he would have beaten him otherwise. I've grown more convinced that he would not have won last year's LBL either, after a long classics season and already showing serious signs of weakness during Amstel.

Evenepoel on the other hand not only missed out on his big 2020 goals, but also all his 2021 goals. Looking at the way he was riding in 2020 up til then, and in 2022, it's quite unrealistic to argue he would not have won any of those (2x Lombardia, 2x Giro, 2x WCC RR, 2x WCC ITT, OG RR, OG ITT, 2x LBL), had he not crashed.

But again, mostly besides the point i was making. It was not just a setback in terms of time and wins for Evenepoel, but also development. He was 20 when he broke his hip, quite a different matter for a cyclist than being 24 and breaking your wrist.

Hadn't Remco crashed in Lombardia, he would've won 3 TdF by now, of course.

 

[Berniece]

How would Evenepoel have beaten him in LBL? I can imagine him being slightly stronger, but he would have had to be considerably stronger to drop him. And in a sprint, while not hopeless, he would always have been second favourite. So, it's not impossible, but I didn't see anything to convince me, especially given that we didn't see even one second of Pogacar in action during the race.

Last year? Evenepoel dominated the race and won it by a minute while holding back.

 

[kingjr]

Last year? Evenepoel dominated the race and won it by a minute while holding back.

I don't think this answers the question.

 

[Red Rick]

Nothing's quite as stale as insisting someone's holding back cause otherwise it's not impressive enough.

 

[Berniece]

I don't think this answers the question.

He would’ve dropped him

Nothing's quite as stale as insisting someone's holding back cause otherwise it's not impressive enough.

He held back because of the rain, once he was clear and winning. The giro was coming up.

 

[AmRacer]

He would’ve dropped him

Yes, Poggi would've dropped Remco.

 

[Berniece]

Yes, Poggi would've dropped Remco.

No, I’m saying the opposite. Last year, not this year.

 

[AmRacer]

No, I’m saying the opposite. Last year, not this year.

Yes, last year too.

 

[kingjr]

He would’ve dropped him

I believe that's wishful thinking, but fair enough.

 

[Extinction]

I believe that's wishful thinking, but fair enough.

Pog already won Flanders, so at LBL he should not have been firing on all cylinders. In any case, it would have been an epic battle that never materialized.

 

[Berniece]

Yes, last year too.

The guy that was only able to keep a gap to Ben Healy due to the draft of a car in AGR was dropping Evenepoel in Liège? Sure mate…

 

[AmRacer]

The guy that was only able to keep a gap to Ben Healy due to the draft of a car in AGR was dropping Evenepoel in Liège? Sure mate…

Yeps, Teddy Merckx would've parked Remco.

 

[Berniece]

Yeps, Teddy Merckx would've parked Remco.

You’re in the wrong thread

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Hadn't Remco crashed in Lombardia, he would've won 3 TdF by now, of course.

That would have been a feat, considering he would not have even contested one. But i would like to know your motivation behind your asinine post. You think Evenepoel would have failed to win ANY of his goals in 2020 and 2021, while winning 3 of them in 2022?

 

[AmRacer]

At TdF, I hope Remco goes stage hunting with Wout and Mathieu. That would be awesome.

 

[AmRacer]

That would have been a feat, considering he would not have even contested one. But i would like to know your motivation behind your asinine post. You think Evenepoel would have failed to win ANY of his goals in 2020 and 2021, while winning 3 of them in 2022?

You never know what could've happened. You know, ifs, buts and whats.

 

[Salvarani]

At TdF, I hope Remco goes stage hunting with Wout and Mathieu. That would be awesome.

I think he will go crazy in the first week. Maybe even riding in yellow. Stage 4 will be interesting already, but that it so short might be to his advantage. The climbing not so much.

He will have a bad day in the second week, I think. Stage 15.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

You never know what could've happened. You know, ifs, buts and whats.

Sure thing. So you know for a fact that Pogacar would have won races he was unable to participate in (per your previous posts) regardless of his dying form, but you also know Evenepoel would have won none of his targets. Very credible.

 

[AmRacer]

Sure thing. So you know for a fact that Pogacar would have won races he was unable to participate in (per your previous posts) regardless of his dying form, but you also know Evenepoel would have won none of his targets. Very credible.

We know nothing what could've happened. @Froome could've won his fifth, hadn't he crashed.
I find it pointless to discuss what could've been.
But I also find it amusing when others start discussing so I just have to chip in.

 

[Andre]

Hadn't Remco crashed in Lombardia, he would've won 3 TdF by now, of course.

maybe

 

[Ilmaestro99]

You think Evenepoel would have failed to win ANY of his goals in 2020 and 2021, while winning 3 of them in 2022?

How many of them has he won since 2022?