- Oct 5, 2009
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- Jun 1, 2015
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Damn. There goes Remco’s path to the yellow jersey. Tough to imagine him 4 minutes ahead of Wout over 22km, but I certainly didn’t see 3 minutes by Vingegaard either.
- May 29, 2019
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- Jun 1, 2015
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Maybe. Vingegaard did put a minute into Wout apparently during the flat stretch between T1 and T2, according to Twitter (have not verified).
Edit: 22 seconds, according to Red Rick (have not verified).
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- Feb 20, 2012
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True. Wout needs to keep significantly more juice in the tank to get those extra kg up the climb. comparing a flat stretch when they know a climb is coming up doesn’t really make sense.
That being said Vingegaard’s effort was insane obviously. Thankfully he had the courtesy to look absolutely spent afterwards.
we also saw last year that Vingegaard was good on the first itt, but not really near the win and then he probably could have won the last one. He also lost the itt in Dauphine to a specialist and doesn’t even bother with danish championship or worlds.
So yeah Remco must hope for a lot of itt kms in the first half of the race, preferably flat.
- Aug 31, 2019
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The only chance Remco has against Vingegaard is if there are a 15 km opening TT and a 25 km TT in the end of week one. Then no mountain stages with steep mountains (so Remco can try to wheelsuck at climbs where drafting is key) and a couple of hilly stages that is suited for Remco raids.
The way Skeletor is riding this Tour and last years tour third week TTs and big mountain stages would kill Remco.
The way Skeletor is riding this Tour and last years tour third week TTs and big mountain stages would kill Remco.
Just remco? it is killing everyone. Remco or no Remco. I don't think more short steep finishes (pog/rog) or more flat ITT (remco) would change on yota of this against the current Vingegaard. (whether he can keep this form/wins over the years is a different thing, but against what we now see, neither Pog, nor Remco, nor Roglic, nor Ayuso has any chance.)
- Jan 31, 2016
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....and descents. I'd like to see his collective gains on those sections. No wattage voodoo there; just good riding.
- Jan 31, 2016
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Don't discount the tactical complications that come with having all of that talent in one Tour. Vingo had the luxury of only one opponent to dedicate his focus and tactics.
Remco needs a flat 55km ITT at the end of week one, not a 25km one
- Jul 28, 2010
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I also suspect that both Vingegaard and Pogacar are too much to handle for Evenepoel. If you look at how much better they are than everyone else... I mean, the guy in 3rd place in GC is almost 9 minutes down. That's crazy. I can imagine him fighting for the 3rd spot but going up against those 2? I want to believe but I'll have to see it to believe it.
As a one day racer I believe he is actually better than both of them but as a GC I'm skeptical. He can win a GT against regular humans, but against those 2 aliens?
As a one day racer I believe he is actually better than both of them but as a GC I'm skeptical. He can win a GT against regular humans, but against those 2 aliens?
- Jan 8, 2020
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The thing is, how long can they keep it up? At any rate, he's never going to win the Tour on Soudal. He needs to find his la Vie Claire.
- Jul 28, 2010
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I see your point but at the end of the day it's the legs that have to do the talking. The best team in the world won't help if you can't follow them.
- Apr 30, 2011
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If you had asked the same in 2001, the answer would've been "Four more years!".
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People are seriously underestimating Evenepoel. According to Lanterne Rouge, his performance in Catalunya (of all races) was better than (peak) Vingegaard on Marie Blanque.
Jonas Vingegaard Skyrockets on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5 - Lanterne Rouge
Jonas Vingegaard annihilated his competition on the steep gradienst of the Marie Blanque climb, putting over a minute into his closest rival before the race, Tadej Pogačar. Jai Hindley won the stage from the breakaway and earnt the leader's jersey, with a masterclass from Bora-Hansgrohe.
lanternerouge.com
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I couldn't see where it mentions Remco in this article?People are seriously underestimating Evenepoel. According to Lanterne Rouge, his performance in Catalunya (of all races) was better than (peak) Vingegaard on Marie Blanque.
Jonas Vingegaard Skyrockets on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5 - Lanterne Rouge
Jonas Vingegaard annihilated his competition on the steep gradienst of the Marie Blanque climb, putting over a minute into his closest rival before the race, Tadej Pogačar. Jai Hindley won the stage from the breakaway and earnt the leader's jersey, with a masterclass from Bora-Hansgrohe.
I think he alludes to the W/kg Remco/Roglic did on Catalunya, which was estimated at ~6.9W/kg. but that was in a small stage race, unipuerto and with many riders over 6.7W/kg.
(but neither of them would be able to do that on a stage like the Marie Blanque after 2 weeks of Tour where they broke 4 climbing records?)
- Sep 12, 2022
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Difference between doing that in a 1 week race and doing that in the 3rd week of a race. You get tired, you are not at 100% before the start of every stage anymore. I'm not saying Evenepoel can't do this, I'm saying that this isn't comparable.People are seriously underestimating Evenepoel. According to Lanterne Rouge, his performance in Catalunya (of all races) was better than (peak) Vingegaard on Marie Blanque.
Jonas Vingegaard Skyrockets on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5 - Lanterne Rouge
Jonas Vingegaard annihilated his competition on the steep gradienst of the Marie Blanque climb, putting over a minute into his closest rival before the race, Tadej Pogačar. Jai Hindley won the stage from the breakaway and earnt the leader's jersey, with a masterclass from Bora-Hansgrohe.
They are comparing it to the Marie Blanque stage, which was in the first week
The way JV ride the TdF should suit Remco very well. The question mark is whether Remco can keep up with Vingo in the mountains. We'll find out next year.
- Mar 19, 2009
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I think that's a big question mark. Of course, we don't know what Remcos full potential is yet, but Vingegaard is doing things that are really really impressive. He'd beaten Remco yesterday, handily so I believe. On top of that he's absurdly consistent, but there are peaks in his performances that are just out of reach for anyone atm it seems. Even if one insists Pogacar was very handicaped by preparation.
Pog did the one thing Remco didn't do (except when QS had him pull the chute after being dropped for the umpteenth time on a descent during the 2021 giro). Pog utterly imploded today
Even TDS Remco finishes ahead of Pog at this year's TDF. But, he would have been humiliated by Vingegaard
Even TDS Remco finishes ahead of Pog at this year's TDF. But, he would have been humiliated by Vingegaard
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