Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Extinction]

Well yeah, but its a real short TT, if he gets 45seconds on the worst JV (be it vingegaard/roglic) it would already be a fantastic ride. The idea he can take 3s/km on what will probably be 50km/h+ is not going to happen imo. 1.5-2s/km maybe (upper end).. which would give 38-50s. (the higher the speed, the lower the amount of time you can take)

Which Is why I qualified: distante. Obviously he won't gain 3+ minutes like Big Mig in a 58 km TT.

 

[Netserk]

Sounds like a big *** you to the classification sponsors.

 

[Peyroteo94]

People are underestimating Vingegaard. Peak Vingegaard don't lose time to Remco in a TT and If he loses, it is something like 20 seconds in a long TT

 

[Netserk]

People are underestimating Vingegaard. Peak Vingegaard don't lose time to Remco in a TT and If he loses, it is something like 20 seconds in a long TT

I don't think so. I think he will lose at least 30" to Evenepoel here.

 

[peterfin]

People are underestimating Vingegaard. Peak Vingegaard don't lose time to Remco in a TT and If he loses, it is something like 20 seconds in a long TT

Peak Vingegaard vs Remco, yes, but what about peak Vingegaard vs peak Remco?

 

[Volderke]

People are underestimating Vingegaard. Peak Vingegaard don't lose time to Remco in a TT and If he loses, it is something like 20 seconds in a long TT

How do you know all of this? You're assuming a lot.
Vingegaard excelled in almost all TdF TT he rode, but all of these, the last couple of years, were hilly (Combloux, Rocamadour, even the one to Laval, and he lost close to half a minute on Pogacar on that one: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2021/stage-5). He did an excellent TT in Dauphine but that one again had a lot of altitude: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/dauphine/2023/stage-4. A year later in a flat Dauphine TT he lost over a minute on Ganna: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/dauphine/2022/stage-4
In a flatter Tour TT (St. Emilion), he lost 32s to WvA: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2021/stage-20

We are now having a flat TT, not a hilly one, and Evenepoel's credentials in flat TT's are very solid.
So claiming 'Peak Vingegaard don't lose time to Remco in a TT' is a generalisation that I feel doesn't apply to this TT.
If it were hilly like Combloux, I have a very hard time to see Evenepoel beating Vingegaard, for sure. But this is not overly technical and flat, so tailor-made for Evenepoel gaining time.

Vingegaard may surprise me and I will applaud if he stays within 10-20 seconds or squarely beats Remco, but given all of the above, that's unlikely.

 

[ManicJack]

How do you know all of this? You're assuming a lot.

Pot meet kettle

 

[Volderke]

Pot meet kettle

Apologies, I didn't make myself clear...

I'm not assuming. I'm 100% sure Remco will smash Vingegaard.

 

[Lexman]

Benoit Vaugrenard of Française des jeux says several teammates of Remco are sick and we'll see SPORT tomorrow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1696927472686711171

View: https://twitter.com/VeloFute/status/1696927472686711171

PS must be Vervaeke and Bagioli

 

[Andy schleck]

I don't think so. I think he will lose at least 30" to Evenepoel here.

With vingegaard, everything is possible, if he comes again with the legs of the tour.

 

[Nick2413]

How do you know all of this? You're assuming a lot.
Vingegaard excelled in almost all TdF TT he rode, but all of these, the last couple of years, were hilly (Combloux, Rocamadour, even the one to Laval, and he lost close to half a minute on Pogacar on that one: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2021/stage-5). He did an excellent TT in Dauphine but that one again had a lot of altitude: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/dauphine/2023/stage-4. A year later in a flat Dauphine TT he lost over a minute on Ganna: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/dauphine/2022/stage-4
In a flatter Tour TT (St. Emilion), he lost 32s to WvA: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2021/stage-20

We are now having a flat TT, not a hilly one, and Evenepoel's credentials in flat TT's are very solid.
So claiming 'Peak Vingegaard don't lose time to Remco in a TT' is a generalisation that I feel doesn't apply to this TT.
If it were hilly like Combloux, I have a very hard time to see Evenepoel beating Vingegaard, for sure. But this is not overly technical and flat, so tailor-made for Evenepoel gaining time.

Vingegaard may surprise me and I will applaud if he stays within 10-20 seconds or squarely beats Remco, but given all of the above, that's unlikely.

That stage 5 TdF TT was pretty flat and 51kph, with Kung runner up to Pogacar. But I doubt Vingegaard will be at his best for this anyway. I think he’s banking on a big week 2-3 comeback in the mountains.

 

[Lequack]

So when will Merckx admit that Remco is the next him?

 

[Riek s]

So when will Merckx admit that Remco is the next him?

When he rides the tour and he is on the podium of a stage where Merckx is attending (to shake hands with the riders)

edit: i read : "So when will Merckx admit that Remco is next to him"... so slightly different meaning

 

[ManicJack]

Benoit Vaugrenard of Française des jeux says several teammates of Remco are sick and we'll see SPORT tomorrow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1696927472686711171

View: https://twitter.com/VeloFute/status/1696927472686711171

PS must be Vervaeke and Bagioli

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[RedheadDane]

edit: i read when: "So when will Merckx admit that Remco is next to him"... so slightly different meaning

Would be a bit weird if Merckx admitted - or rather falsely claimed - that Evenepoel was next to him if he wasn't.
Would also be weird if Evenepoel was standing next to Merckx, and Merckx just refused to admit it.

 

[Eagle_Alps]

Sounds like a big *** you to the classification sponsors.

That's what Rohan Dennis did in Romandie last year, didn't he?

 

[Lexman]

What is that supposed to mean?

it's a tough stage, Martinez might try to grab the jersey and with Soudal and it's sick riders remco will have a tough time...

 

[Riek s]

Well if Vervaeke and Cattaneo are sick their are odds it is contagious and i think Vervaeke and Remco are close..

His already weaker team might have gotten weaker if that news is true. Luckily it might not be that important at this point in the Vuelta. (but it doesn't bode that well).

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Remco gained 6 secs in a bonus sprint yesterday (day of 2nd Groves win).

So when will Jumbo and UAE an others start to try to gain back time on Remco?

Obviously Roglic and Vingegaard did not even take part in this bonus sprint. They just gifted these six seconds to Remco.

How can anyone still „underestimate“ Remco?… Just curious. Maybe no one tries because no one can.

The way things are developing, Remco will win this Vuelta, and it won’t be even close.

Thursday (today) now has to be the day when Jumbo and UAE attack Remco and Soudal-QS. This afternoon will tell us a lot more.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Remco gained 6 secs in a bonus sprint yesterday (day of 2nd Groves win).

So when will Jumbo and UAE an others start to try to gain back time on Remco?

Obviously Roglic and Vingegaard did not even take part in this bonus sprint. They just gifted these six seconds to Remco.

How can anyone still „underestimate“ Remco?… Just curious. Maybe no one tries because no one can.

The way things are developing, Remco will win this Vuelta, and it won’t be even close.

Thursday (today) now has to be the day when Jumbo and UAE attack Remco and Soudal-QS. This afternoon will tell us a lot more.

There seems to be a modus operandi for Vingegaard as displayed in his last two grand tours. Let his competition sprint for bonuses, but dominate them on the tougher mountain stages. Seems kind of eerily similar to what happened at the TDF with Pogacar.

 

[Nick2413]

There seems to be a modus operandi for Vingegaard as displayed in his last two grand tours. Let his competition sprint for bonuses, but dominate them on the tougher mountain stages. Seems kind of eerily similar to what happened at the TDF with Pogacar.

They probably see time bonuses as a novelty at this point in the race but Roglic might also be affected from his crash and Vingegaard probably isn’t winning them anyway so no reason to make too much of an effort.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Remco gained 6 secs in a bonus sprint yesterday (day of 2nd Groves win).

So when will Jumbo and UAE an others start to try to gain back time on Remco?

Obviously Roglic and Vingegaard did not even take part in this bonus sprint. They just gifted these six seconds to Remco.

How can anyone still „underestimate“ Remco?… Just curious. Maybe no one tries because no one can.

The way things are developing, Remco will win this Vuelta, and it won’t be even close.

Thursday (today) now has to be the day when Jumbo and UAE attack Remco and Soudal-QS. This afternoon will tell us a lot more.

Remco better take every bonus second he can because the attacks will rain on him in the latter stages of the race combined with the reality that his team isn't on par with Jumbo domestique for domestique and also we're now hearing rumours that some QS riders have fallen ill.

You're overreacting. Everyone knows that the Jumbo modus operandi is to stay patient and wait for the key stages that they think are best suited to setup an attack. For now he leads the GC but there is still ways to go and it doesn't bode well that he was isolated on Arinsal which isn't even that difficult of a climb compared to the upcoming climbs.

 

[Berniece]

There seems to be a modus operandi for Vingegaard as displayed in his last two grand tours. Let his competition sprint for bonuses, but dominate them on the tougher mountain stages. Seems kind of eerily similar to what happened at the TDF with Pogacar.

That’s not the modus operandi, he’s just not as fast/explosive as Pogacar/Remco, so he just has to follow. Vingegaard was 2nd for bonus seconds multiple times in the TDF, so it’s not like they didn’t care.

 

[Didier_Bel]

Remco better take every bonus second he can because the attacks will rain on him in the latter stages of the race combined with the reality that his team isn't on par with Jumbo domestique for domestique and also we're now hearing rumours that some QS riders have fallen ill.

You're overreacting. Everyone knows that the Jumbo modus operandi is to stay patient and wait for the key stages that they think are best suited to setup an attack. For now he leads the GC but there is still ways to go and it doesn't bode well that he was isolated on Arinsal which isn't even that difficult of a climb compared to the upcoming climbs.

And how can you be so sure that Jumbo can even execute the same "modus operandi" of TDF ? This implies a couple of things and Jonas maintaining his TDF conditioning is the major factor here . Because if he's not and Roglic is not at least as good as during the Giro , which was not overly impressive anyway , then you run the risk of bumping into peak or close-to-peak-Remco and all of the tactics can go to the dustbin .

I do not believe that today will give us ALL the answers btw . The stage is difficult but i believe not difficult enough to crush the opposition and I mean that from all angles , i.e. Jonas crushing opposition or Remco / Ayuso / etc... crushing opposition .

I do believe that you cannot underestimate a guy like Remco . He has a huge motor and can compensate a lot , if not all , by virtue of this . Looks a bit like Indurain to be honest ... but more compact

 

[Didier_Bel]

That’s not the modus operandi, he’s just not as fast/explosive as Pogacar/Remco, so he just has to follow. Vingegaard was 2nd for bonus seconds multiple times in the TDF, so it’s not like they didn’t care.

It's funny how Remco's name now automatically pops up next to Pogacar when we are discussing "explosiveness" . People would laugh at this less than a year ago .

Any guy who can make such progress in such a short amount of time has to be given deep respect . And one should also consider that he has the ability to improve on other aspects as well . He has the determination for sure .