Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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You don't see a difference between a rider like Vingegaard being 1m75 and 58kg, and someone like Evenepoel at 1m71 and 64kg. Since you don't think he needs to lose more weight, his normal weight is 64-65kg during the season when not preparing for a GT. That's 12% more weight he has to carry up a mountain compared to Vingegaard.

You are purposely pushing the numbers to extremes. As @Logic-is-your-friend explained here:


The difference is smaller and although there is some verity involved IMHO one can't say Remco is a outlier. In terms of being overweight.
 
Nice interview with him in HLN after the NC ITT. Things interesting for the TDF:
  • "After that tough final weekend in the Dauphiné, I needed a calm extra altitude training. Don’t forget that I had a pretty bad winter and that I need a bit more recuperation and recovery between training sessions than last year.”
  • He weighs 1kg less than during the TDF 2024, close to 60kg
  • Looking for the right balance between weight and power, apparently he still weighs more than during Vuelta 2022 when he lost too much power
I don't understand that last bit because he completely destroyed the opposition in the ITT in the Vuelta 2022
 
Nice interview with him in HLN after the NC ITT. Things interesting for the TDF:
  • "After that tough final weekend in the Dauphiné, I needed a calm extra altitude training. Don’t forget that I had a pretty bad winter and that I need a bit more recuperation and recovery between training sessions than last year.”
  • He weighs 1kg less than during the TDF 2024, close to 60kg
  • Looking for the right balance between weight and power, apparently he still weighs more than during Vuelta 2022 when he lost too much power
I don't understand that last bit because he completely destroyed the opposition in the ITT in the Vuelta 2022

did he get into Gouvenou's stash or something? Lost power at the Vuelta? He was dropping Rog like a lead balloon before he crashed! Only a Mas who was on par with Pog was even able to keep pace, and only sometimes
 
Fat shaming.

P.S. And lets not forget, Tratnik had a thing or two to say about weight culture at SOQ. And interestingly they wanted for him to be at 60kg, although that clearly wasn't working for him.
Not everybody is made or capable of being a GT rider. But weighing 60 for Tratnik who is about 1m73 (tiny bit taller than Evenepoel), is hardly extreme. Still smaller than Vingegaard or Bernal, and both weighed 60 or below. But, that's what being a climber/GT rider means. If Tratnik wasn't able to get somewhere close to that, that's fine, but it simply means he was not really going to be a GT rider or climber regardless.

Nice interview with him in HLN after the NC ITT. Things interesting for the TDF:
  • "After that tough final weekend in the Dauphiné, I needed a calm extra altitude training. Don’t forget that I had a pretty bad winter and that I need a bit more recuperation and recovery between training sessions than last year.”
  • He weighs 1kg less than during the TDF 2024, close to 60kg
  • Looking for the right balance between weight and power, apparently he still weighs more than during Vuelta 2022 when he lost too much power
I don't understand that last bit because he completely destroyed the opposition in the ITT in the Vuelta 2022
These numbers keep evolving every time the story is being told. He was 60kg during the Giro in '21, he said so in two video interviews before the start. I can't link or don't remember where he said it, but he most certainly said that. In an interview after the '22 Vuelta with Sammy Neyrinck he said he was lighter than what they had set out during the year, implying his weight should have been somewhere between 61 and 62 back then. This matched with what was said before the '23 Giro where he was purposely heavier; going from memory they said something in the lines of almost 2kg heavier with him being 63kg then. Now supposedly he weighs close to 60 (how close though) and it's still less than during the '22 Vuelta, implying he should have been 60 or below back then. Yet again they attribute his loss of power to weight and never look at injuries. Whenever he was this skinny and underperformed, imho there was always a crash or recovery preceding it. He destroyed everybody including Roglic in the '22 Vuelta on Pico Jano and Les Praeres. He then crashed and the two days after his crash he lost time. Two weeks ago, he crashed on thursday, climbing started on friday (and on sunday he was again closer to Pog and Vinge). During the '21 Giro, he had bad prep/rehab after his Lombardia crash.

Anyway, i'm curious for next month. If nothing else, it proves that the story a forum member who claimed to be a physician had been telling people last year, about how Evenepoel was physically unable to weigh anything below 62-63kg for extended periods, was -as i called out back then - hogwash.
 
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Not everybody is made or capable of being a GT rider. But weighing 60 for Tratnik who is about 1m73 (tiny bit taller than Evenepoel), is hardly extreme. Still smaller than Vingegaard or Bernal, and both weighed 60 or below. But, that's what being a climber/GT rider means. If Tratnik wasn't able to get somewhere close to that, that's fine, but it simply means he was not really going to be a GT rider or climber regardless.

It's not that simple.

Anyway, lets see if Remco will be mismanaged, when it comes to weight, or not. I have a feeling he might be, as the amount of emphasis put on this area is rather crazy high. It's like every single step is somehow related to weight and IMHO that is becoming counterproductive. All Rogla, Pogi and Jonas obviously do put some emphasise on weight, still, through their careers, the most successful parts, weight was rather standard.
 
Anyway, i'm curious for next month. If nothing else, it proves that the story a forum member who claimed to be a physician had been telling people last year, about how Evenepoel was physically unable to weigh anything below 62-63kg for extended periods, was -as i called out back then - hogwash.
Some people just do struggle more at certain fat% than others, but with Evenepoel it wouldn't surprise me if it's partially mental/habitual in that he's more used to gaining weight after the season/main target is over and yoyoing isn't that great to keep your power up. Like he seemed mentally done after the Olympics double last year and then he reappears at the WC losing to Ganna in the uphill TT splits like old school Fatco again.
 
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Was there any particular reason for coming down from TDF training camp a few days early just to humuliate a few u23s in a time trial?
BK TT is a big enough win in my books to return to belgium 2 days early. Belgian Cycling is different. Now I understand BK TT is not as prestigious as BK RR, in part cause our TT tradition only truly started with Campenaerts (Merxkx wasn't shabby either but different times) But it's getting more and more imprtant. BK RR is mandatory for belgian Cyclists. And that is a good thing in my books. We'll have a great race. Meanwhile many other National RR are criteriums. Belgium RR matters.
 
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BK TT is a big enough win in my books to return to belgium 2 days early. Belgian Cycling is different. Now I understand BK TT is not as prestigious as BK RR, in part cause our TT tradition only truly started with Campenaerts (Merxkx wasn't shabby either but different times) But it's getting more and more imprtant. BK RR is mandatory for belgian Cyclists. And that is a good thing in my books. We'll have a great race. Meanwhile many other National RR are criteriums. Belgium RR matters.
Nationals matters for those who ride it, nobody else.
 
BK TT is a big enough win in my books to return to belgium 2 days early. Belgian Cycling is different. Now I understand BK TT is not as prestigious as BK RR, in part cause our TT tradition only truly started with Campenaerts (Merxkx wasn't shabby either but different times) But it's getting more and more imprtant. BK RR is mandatory for belgian Cyclists. And that is a good thing in my books. We'll have a great race. Meanwhile many other National RR are criteriums. Belgium RR matters.
This is because you are belgian. Even Wout said everyone rides Nationals with an eye in the Tour.
Top riders don't ride (frequently) Nationals. Vingegaard, Pogacar, Roglic, Froome (in the past), Contador, etc. In my view, Remco is almost participating in Nationals because he needs a boost from his people before getting spanked (losing 2 minutes in every big MTF is a hard beating in my book, specially for a rider who aims to win the Tour one day) in the Tour. For me there is no other way to see this participation. And please, before anyone criticize my opinion, it is just an opinion. I'm not saying I'm right (even if I believe I am though).
 
Look at the names you mentioned though. With all due respect to slovenia, danmark, GB their National Road Race (&Cycling) traditions aren't the same as in belgium and some other countries. Contador is the odd one out in spain as well. Big GT riders have won the spanish title. So i have to say when it comes to Italy, Spain, Belgium (and maybe France) it's a different ballgame.
 
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Look at the names you mentioned though. With all due respect to slovenia, danmark, GB their National Road Race traditions aren't the same as in belgium and some other countries. Contador is the odd one out in spain as well. Big GT riders have won the spanish title.

So i have to say when it comes to Italy, Spain, Belgium (and maybe France) it's a different ballgame.
No, it isn't. You are pretending, riders from other nationalities don't care about being national champions and only riders from those countries you mentioned, care. This is not true. I'm pretty sure Remco would not race Nationals if he was really a favorite to win the Tour. Even his team knows he can't win the Tour and for that reason they brought Merlier and 2/3 guys to help him.
 
It's a different ballgame. Just from cycling tradition (and in part lineup). No point in pretending otherwise.
Look at belgium RR lineup, and compare that to some other country lineup. I'm sorry but it ain't the same.
How many top GC riders Belgium has? How many in the last 20 years? None. How many did you say "okay, he can win the Tour in 4 weeks"? Zero. Remco was national champion already, I would agree with you if he wasn't.
Belgium National RR is stacked because it's full of classics riders.
But in 4 weeks, we will see his final position in the Tour.
 
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