Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[AmRacer]

a bunch of nations and cycling fans are more interested in who becomes the Belgian national champ than in other country's champs...they recognize the prestige. Just like more countries are interest in NASA than in the chinesse rocket program and myriad of other examples

Belgium and Belgians

 

[AmRacer]

I and a humongous huge bunch of people care more about the US, British and Australian champ than we do about the Belgian.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As a representative of a smaller nation know that we can be feisty.

 

[AmRacer]

As a representative of a smaller nation know that we can be feisty.

Unfortunately, Rogla cannot win the Belgian Nationals.😇

 

[CyclistAbi]

Unfortunately, Rogla cannot win the Belgian Nationals.😇

Hopefully hearts.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I and a humongous huge bunch of people care more about the US, British and Australian champ than we do about the Belgian.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether it was a reasonable decision for Evenepoel to compete in the Belgian championships, and even less of an answer as to whether Koopa was making a point when he suggested that it was a worthwhile decision.

 

[Salvarani]

As a representative of a smaller nation know that we can be feisty.

The national race means a lot!

Both for the women and men are televised in my country. Getting some shine during a week where there are multiple events that are taking place for the NC in different sports.

 

[Ripper]

Did not say their national race does not mean anything. It's always an honour to win that title and get to wear the national jersey of your country. But I do feel certain Titles just hold more weight for a number of reasons. So yes, i do feel the belgian title is objectively bigger than some other national titles. Just as i feel the italian jersey is objectively bigger than most other national jerseys as well.

I think I get what you are saying. I mean, as a Canadian, I know lots of Canadian riders who would be enormously proud to wear the national champs jersey. But the Canadian RR (or TT) title does not bring the same broad gravitas as the Belgian title brings. Different nations with different footprints in the world of bike racing. I mean, I doubt being on the Belgian national hockey team is the same as being on the Canadian national team. Whatevs

 

[AmRacer]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether it was a reasonable decision for Evenepoel to compete in the Belgian championships, and even less of an answer as to whether Koopa was making a point when he suggested that it was a worthwhile decision.

I haven't even commented Remco's participations in the nationals. I replied to Koopa's post where the poster argued that Belgian Nationals was comparable to classics.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I haven't even commented Remco's participations in the nationals. I replied to Koopa's post where the poster argued that Belgian Nationals was comparable to classics.

Which you somehow did three posts before he made any reference to semi-classics (see posts 30,760 and 30,763 above) (and he never did claim that they were comparable to classics)

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

They’re referring to the overall win, not stages in a stage race from the last part of their post.

Not unless Dwars door Vlaanderen is a stage race? Only counting overall GC wins or 1 day race wins is ridiculous. Either discuss stage race GCs or classics, and then it's a fair point. But excluding stages in WT races is simply idiotic if the point is to discuss WT races in general.

 

[Extinction]

Well, one can't be sure. There was Froome, there was Contador. Guys hard to beat in the mountains at their best. Obviously some years were much weaker while the last 5 years have been super-high level.

In my opinion, Remco in the 80s, 90s 2000s, until 2020 wins multiple Tours.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

In my opinion, Remco in the 80s, 90s 2000s, until 2020 wins multiple Tours.

The level is overall so much higher now that it’s tough to know whether there’s just better talent* now or if those guys also would be performing much better if they’d ridden in this era.

 

[Andre]

This is why I have a love hate relationship with Remco. Kid has such a big personality off the road, almost a bad guy (he is way better though), a lot of charisma and guts on the bike but some of his fans are tough to listen or read (sometimes). The opposite might happens too but at least I base my opinion on facts.

Have you ever thought that your facts might well be your opinions?

 

[hayneplane]

In my opinion, Remco in the 80s, 90s 2000s, until 2020 wins multiple Tours.

Remco vs Big Mig on those routes would have been interesting. Could Remco have got close enough in the ITTs to make Indurain have to do more tactically than just follow and mark in the high mountains.

 

[peterfin]

A lot of talk here about the importance of the Belgian NC but in the end only one thing matters: the Belgian champion jersey is the best-looking jersey of all. And Remco likes the jersey a lot.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Have you ever thought that your facts might well be your opinions?

My opinion is based on facts. I will not say Pogacar can win the green jersey in the Tour.

 

[Extinction]

The level is overall so much higher now that it’s tough to know whether there’s just better talent* now or if those guys also would be performing much better if they’d ridden in this era.

Ask yourself, all things being equal, how would say 80s riders fare today? You should have competition, Hinault, Lemond, Fignon, Delgado, Roche, they made the racing spectacular. By contrast, what you get today is the utter dominance of one rider. I would expect, however, a fight between the most talented. This is why I'm perplexed, because it's not even close.

Remco vs Big Mig on those routes would have been interesting. Could Remco have got close enough in the ITTs to make Indurain have to do more tactically than just follow and mark in the high mountains.

Remco, albiet third on the day, went up PdBF faster than Pantani. It's all you need to know (and he still loses by 9 minutes).

 

[Cycling111]

Nationals aren't important. There's more tradition in Belgium, but once they've won once or twice, it's not that important.

It might be important for a sprinter, but not for someone like Remco.

It is a big win. Just like San Sebastian.

You've made me remember comments back in 2019, that San Sebastian was more important than three mountain stages and a podium in a GT debut.

 

[jmdirt]

What are you talking about? Evenepoel alone has won 2?

Do you mean stages?

 

[jmdirt]

What are you talking about? Evenepoel alone has won 2?

2025 UCI World Tour - Wikipedia

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[houtdffan]

The level is overall so much higher now that it’s tough to know whether there’s just better talent* now or if those guys also would be performing much better if they’d ridden in this era.

he would have won multiple tours as we actually had tour de france routes, not this BS world climbing championships that Gouvenou salivates over, because he couldn't ride a TT bike to save his life when he was a pro

 

[houtdffan]

Ask yourself, all things being equal, how would say 80s riders fare today? You should have competition, Hinault, Lemond, Fignon, Delgado, Roche, they made the racing spectacular. By contrast, what you get today is the utter dominance of one rider. I would expect, however, a fight between the most talented. This is why I'm perplexed, because it's not even close.

Remco, albiet third on the day, went up PdBF faster than Pantani. It's all you need to know (and he still loses by 9 minutes).

PdBF? Didn't know Plateau de Beliie moves to the Vosges, LOL

just kidding

 

[jmdirt]

They’re referring to the overall win, not stages in a stage race from the last part of their post.

I am referring to how the UCI lists it (I don't make the rules...).

I knew that JM won last weekend, but didn't know that the Copenhagen Sprints had WT status already.

Captain was using league levels to support their argument so I did the same with cycling...only WT wins.

RE has several TT wins (Belg champs the most coveted TT in the world, and Brab Pij, but the OP wants only top league wins. WvA won his 50th too, but it was a stage not a WT win.

 

[jmdirt]

Not unless Dwars door Vlaanderen is a stage race? Only counting overall GC wins or 1 day race wins is ridiculous. Either discuss stage race GCs or classics, and then it's a fair point. But excluding stages in WT races is simply idiotic if the point is to discuss WT races in general.

DdV is a one day race.

I don't make the rules, I'm just typing how they are represented by the governing body (I agree that stages are HUGE wins, as my posting history clearly demonstrates). You need to email the UCI about their idiocy (its a long list).