Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Karl Merckx]

There is a big issue about his identity as a rider, that’s his big issue.
Why is he only riding the worlds out of pride? Is his form really that bad ? His shape is fine. He’s fine for a one day race

There's no issue at all with his "identity", is this the new meme ?
He rides the WC bc it's a big goal this year as in any other year.

 

[Charlyghoul]

There's no issue at all with his "identity", is this the new meme ?
He rides the WC bc it's a big goal this year as in any other year.

I agree he should ride the worlds, some are saying he’s too tired or whatever, his form is not that bad he just had a bad tour

 

[MLKarlos]

any word when the RBH - Remco news will be annoucned? I read somewhere 1st week of August

 

[Berniece]

Typical Remco fans avoiding the context and making excuses all the time.

You wanted him to include all the context and ignore races where Evenepoel had a sub optimal prep due to crashes? That list isn’t going to look as good as it did now for Pogacar…

 

[Peyroteo94]

You wanted him to include all the context and ignore races where Evenepoel had a sub optimal prep due to crashes? That list isn’t going to look as good as it did now for Pogacar…

The context of road races like the user who started this conversation, mentioned.
I just said half of those wins were in TTs and the last win (RR) was in LBL 2023. Somehow he got offended.

 

[Berniece]

The context of road races like the user who started this conversation, mentioned.
I just said half of those wins were in TTs and the last win (RR) was in LBL 2023. Somehow he got offended.

Well you seem to indicate that those races don't matter. If you want to start to exclude them, then you open the door to exclude many other races too. That was his point.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The context of road races like the user who started this conversation, mentioned.
I just said half of those wins were in TTs and the last win (RR) was in LBL 2023. Somehow he got offended.

I did not get offended my man, i just thought it was very funny how it is always Evenepoel fans that get accused of making excuses and here you are looking for excuses. All races, full stats, no exceptions, TT's, stages, classics, GC's, crashes, illness, all included. And then you go but but but but.....

Through the scrolling of the list, i did miss one, so it's actually 8 v 25.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Well you seem to indicate that those races don't matter. If you want to start to exclude them, then you open the door to exclude many other races too. That was his point.

For the last time, I will say it again. The user who started this conversation, asked if Remco would avoid the big boys and stick to TTs. For that reason, I excluded TTs because this user was talking about road races.
What a pointless discussion.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I did not get offended my man, i just thought it was very funny how it is always Evenepoel fans that get accused of making excuses and here you are looking for excuses. All races, full stats, no exceptions, TT's, stages, classics, GC's, crashes, illness, all included. And then you go but but but but.....

Through the scrolling of the list, i did miss one, so it's actually 8 v 25.

Where did I go but but but? I didn't even talk about Pogacar (it was you who mentioned Pogacar). I was talking about road races and how Remco won 4 races against Pogacar (because you were talking about him). And yes, Pogacar also won less than 25 races against Remco in road races (probably 23, excluding both TTs in the TdF).
If you want some stats is 4/23 = a bit more than 17%. Not good to be honest.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Always there’s more excuses for Remco than other riders, that is not subjective.
It’s a shame as he is a great rider there doesn’t need to be these excuses

 

[KoopaCycling]

Cycling needs Vingegaard, MVDP without these 2 last couple of seasons would be too predictable in the races Pogacar shows up. Cycling needs some other Tour winner sooner rather than later. Wether that's Vingegaard or someone else. And cycling needs Remco to find his mojo back and be able to compete. Ofcourse cycling also needs pogacar. But too many repeats of last 2 years isn't good for the show.

 

[Ulle97]

I also feel with Remco that everything has to be inch perfect for him to be in form. Any other of the big guns can still perform without an ideal preparation.

If all the stars don't align for Remco in his preparation he implodes. Especially in the climbing stages.

Look at Jonas last year. Nearly died and did an excellent Tour. Roglic had a bad prep for the 2022 Vuelta and was 2nd overall before his crash. (And he was getting very close to Remco, dropping him on successive mountain stages)

It seems that Remco must have everything perfectly and dialled in to the max. Reality is, you will never feel perfect everyday you are on a bike.

 

[James M]

Remco's raw overall talent is great Ive acknowledged this several times, it's just the truth. But just as thats true, the reality is that Remco, by fans here, is extremely overrated when you put him next to Pogacar, where he simply doesn't belong at all, like why would u do that, not even helping Remcos case.

The reality is, Remco isn't close to the likes of MvdP in the classics or Jonas in the GT. Before even mentioning Pogacar who is better than both of them in both aspects—Remco needs to learn to walk before he can run.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Cycling needs Vingegaard, MVDP without these 2 last couple of seasons would be too predictable in the races Pogacar shows up. Cycling needs some other Tour winner sooner rather than later. Wether that's Vingegaard or someone else. And cycling needs Remco to find his mojo back and be able to compete. Ofcourse cycling also needs pogacar. But too many repeats of last 2 years isn't good for the show.

Let’s be honest, cycling or you?

 

[BubbaChuck]

If everybody in this thread is for diversity and competition,than why he is called new eddie merckx,lmao.

 

[Karl Merckx]

Remco's raw overall talent is great Ive acknowledged this several times, it's just the truth. But just as thats true, the reality is that Remco, by fans here, is extremely overrated when you put him next to Pogacar, where he simply doesn't belong at all, like why would u do that, not even helping Remcos case.

The reality is, Remco isn't close to the likes of MvdP in the classics or Jonas in the GT. Before even mentioning Pogacar who is better than both of them in both aspects—Remco needs to learn to walk before he can run.

Remco is certainly better than MVDP in a lot of classics, he even snatched MVDP's biggest goal of last year.

 

[Berniece]

If everybody in this thread is for diversity and competition,than why he is called new eddie merckx,lmao.

Haven't heard that one before

 

[Karl Merckx]

I also feel with Remco that everything has to be inch perfect for him to be in form. Any other of the big guns can still perform without an ideal preparation.

If all the stars don't align for Remco in his preparation he implodes. Especially in the climbing stages.

Look at Jonas last year. Nearly died and did an excellent Tour. Roglic had a bad prep for the 2022 Vuelta and was 2nd overall before his crash. (And he was getting very close to Remco, dropping him on successive mountain stages)

It seems that Remco must have everything perfectly and dialled in to the max. Reality is, you will never feel perfect everyday you are on a bike.

Remco crashed in Vuelta 22. I don't call that stars aligning.

 

[Berniece]

The reality is, Remco isn't close to the likes of MvdP in the classics or Jonas in the GT. Before even mentioning Pogacar who is better than both of them in both aspects—Remco needs to learn to walk before he can run.

MVDP literally won MSR and PR from Pogacar, and only lost RvV because he was sick. And you say Pogacar is better in classics?

 

[AmRacer]

Remco is certainly better than MVDP in a lot of classics, he even snatched MVDP's biggest goal of last year.

PR or RVV?

 

[AmRacer]

Remco crashed in Vuelta 22. I don't call that stars aligning.

Rogla crashed with DNF, it wasn't Wright

 

[James M]

MVDP literally won MSR and PR from Pogacar, and only lost RvV because he was sick. And you say Pogacar is better in classics?

You are incredible. Its not even debatable, MvdP competes in cobble classics where you can argue he is better than Pogacar for sure 100%, not in classics overall its not even debatable. Like genuinly shouldnt have to even exaplain that to someone who watch every race under the sun, it shouldnt honestly be needed if where having a objective conversation. Its not even a debate. If MvdP can win Fleche, Liege, Lombardia vs the best in same season while being his usual self in cobbles, then we can talk but as I said its not even a debate in reality..

Remco is certainly better than MVDP in a lot of classics, he even snatched MVDP's biggest goal of last year.

Glass-half-empty view again. In some classics, maybe, but not in the general picture. Is it genuinely hard for you to admit that MvdP is the better classics rider compared to Remco in a general sense? That might explain a few things—because, my friend, that’s just common sense

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remco's raw overall talent is great Ive acknowledged this several times, it's just the truth. But just as thats true, the reality is that Remco, by fans here, is extremely overrated when you put him next to Pogacar, where he simply doesn't belong at all, like why would u do that, not even helping Remcos case.

The reality is, Remco isn't close to the likes of MvdP in the classics or Jonas in the GT. Before even mentioning Pogacar who is better than both of them in both aspects—Remco needs to learn to walk before he can run.

This is not true. MVP isn't close to Remco in hilly classics like Ardennes and Remco isn't close to MVP in classics like PR or RVV. They don't compete in the same type of classics.

 

[Peyroteo94]

MVDP literally won MSR and PR from Pogacar, and only lost RvV because he was sick. And you say Pogacar is better in classics?

Like 2023, where he was sick too.

 

[James M]

This is not true. MVP isn't close to Remco in hilly classics like Ardennes and Remco isn't close to MVP in classics like PR or RVV. They don't compete in the same type of classics.

I was talking in general sense, take one look at their palmares then come back. who is the best 'classic rider' its obviously MvdP is in a league different to Remco there as a whole.

MvdP also has the same execuse as Remco, both facing the same bogeymonster, just in different races.