Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[AlpRaid]

What video? Are you talking about this?

part of the factco/bodybuilding comments are due to the way he wears this jersey with the sleeves almost rolled up, or squeezing him at the top, accentuating the bicep. If you look at the longer sleeved TT suit, not so noticeable.

 

[Sciatic]

yup. super weird.

why is armstrong even on there for starters?

and Maertens should be much higher, even though he only had 2-3 good years.

They explain it—they use the cumulative total TT ranking of a rider in each year they competed. So it makes sense that someone who only performed well (no matter how well) for only 2-3 years won’t Score as high as someone who was a good TT-er for 10 years.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I wonder how PCS created their ranking for this.

Who is the best time trial rider of alltime?

has 63 victories in time trials and a grand total of 1015 points. Runner-up is with 1000 points in time trials and has 954 points obtained in his career.

www.procyclingstats.com

All time TT ranking​

What is the best time trial rider of all time? If we were to add all TT points per rider it would favor the riders active in periods with a lot of time trials. Therefore we applied a point scale to the position of a rider in the TT year ranking. This way riders active in different periods have an equal chance. Riders that rank high over a longer period are in favor with this method, but having the discipline to perform each year is a valuable quality in time trial.

Basically worthless. Ganna is well ahead of Evenepoel in this ranking. Even Wiggins.
EDIT: lol, and Küng, wtf

 

[Berniece]

Basically worthless. Ganna is well ahead of Evenepoel in this ranking. Even Wiggins.
EDIT: lol, and Küng, wtf

Evenepoel will get higher if he keeps riding for the next 5 years then I guess... I don't understand the formula. If he doesn't ride any ITT anymore but just riders his bike for 5 more years does he get higher on the list?

 

[peterfin]

yup. super weird.

why is armstrong even on there for starters?

and Maertens should be much higher, even though he only had 2-3 good years.

They explain it. You get points based on relative performance vs others (based on their yearly PCS ranking for TT only) and it is for a whole career. So those with a long career and a continuous focus on TTs (more TTs per year) will be better than those who do not, even if they have the same TT capabilities. A better approach would be to use a relative ranking based on the 5 best results and only take in to account the 5 best years or something similar.

 

[Berniece]

part of the factco/bodybuilding comments are due to the way he wears this jersey with the sleeves almost rolled up, or squeezing him at the top, accentuating the bicep. If you look at the longer sleeved TT suit, not so noticeable.

Indeed. The picture Logic posted a few pages ago from right before the ITT shows his physique. Definitely not too heavy. Like they said, in Ardennes form, which means he's more explosive, and has a better sprint too. I can see him win a sprint against the top 10 riders on such a course.

 

[AlpRaid]

Indeed. The picture Logic posted a few pages ago from right before the ITT shows his physique. Definitely not too heavy. Like they said, in Ardennes form, which means he's more explosive, and has a better sprint too. I can see him win a sprint against the top 10 riders on such a course.

he can win a sprint.

but not against Pog or Del Toro for sure.

 

[Extinction]

I wonder how PCS created their ranking for this.

Who is the best time trial rider of alltime?

has 63 victories in time trials and a grand total of 1015 points. Runner-up is with 1000 points in time trials and has 954 points obtained in his career.

www.procyclingstats.com

It's BS, because you have to consider the relevant high stakes, performance and distance, which the trend today of shorter TTs and their relative rarity skews toward past riders.

 

[Extinction]

he can win a sprint.

but not against Pog or Del Toro for sure.

Remco can't beat Del Toro in a sprint? Even Tadei is vulnerable in a long race, as San Remo proved with Ganna

 

[Berniece]

he can win a sprint.

but not against Pog or Del Toro for sure.

Del Toro won’t be there. San Sebastián showed how good he really is at hard, long distance races.

Pogacar can be beaten if he’s tired. See MSR and AGR this year.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Cancellara second Olympic Gold is worth it's weight. The first one though...

 

[houtdffan]

Indeed. The picture Logic posted a few pages ago from right before the ITT shows his physique. Definitely not too heavy. Like they said, in Ardennes form, which means he's more explosive, and has a better sprint too. I can see him win a sprint against the top 10 riders on such a course.

I wonder if Ardennes weight is Remco's ideal weight

He's not a mountain goat, so stop trying to turn him into one. It's not like he's big mig or Strudel Boy powering up the climbs

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I wonder if Ardennes weight is Remco's ideal weight

He's not a mountain goat, so stop trying to turn him into one. It's not like he's big mig or Strudel Boy powering up the climbs

What is your ideal weight? To what end? If he ended up being a football player, he would weigh 10kg more. So maybe 71kg is his ideal weight?

 

[KoopaCycling]

He looks healthy. In that sense maybe Ardennes weight is best. Female Tour winner did not look healthy.
I can see houdtfan pov. Science, health and your sportive goals all need to come together.

Also Lappartient & his media team apparantly don't even bother to watch their own prized event.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So when will Remco go for the hour record? I'd like him to try and this record would regain even more prestige then (regardless of the result but he has a good shot). We can't miss an obvious question: would Ardennes weight be good for that? (I think so).

 

[Red Rick]

So when will Remco go for the hour record? I'd like him to try and this record would regain even more prestige then (regardless of the result but he has a good shot). We can't miss an obvious question: would Ardennes weight be good for that? (I think so).

The simplest answer is when it becomes commercially interesting enough. And in that case it would most likely be shortly after the road season.

As for the weight, I think the answer should be that it doesn't matter cause he can probably show up after a 2 week bender and still beat it. It was 2022, Ganna wasn't even in top shape, the record isn't that sharp.

Honestly I'm not sure why riders like Tarling aren't lining up to try and beat it and get their name on the list before Evenepoel takes it for a very long time.

 

[Berniece]

So when will Remco go for the hour record? I'd like him to try and this record would regain even more prestige then (regardless of the result but he has a good shot). We can't miss an obvious question: would Ardennes weight be good for that? (I think so).

Probably once he has won Lombardia at least once so there's room at the end of the season to prepare for that

 

[Jan the Man]

Agreed Pogacar can be beaten in a sprint if he has gone too deep in the race AMG shows this, as did the Massif Central stage last year.

Less convinced MSR specifically is a good example as normally I’d expect Ganna to beat Pog in a flat sprint. Ganna has competed in flat bunch sprints before.

 

[Berniece]

This outfit. Is that for cooling or maybe to get his body temperature even higher and do some heat training as well?

 

[Wyndbrook]

This outfit. Is that for cooling or maybe to get his body temperature even higher and do some heat training as well?

To keep him warm, doesn't want to catch a cold, enough illness in Belgian squad already.

 

[Berniece]

To keep him warm, doesn't want to catch a cold, enough illness in Belgian squad already.

Isn't it like 27 degrees there

 

[peterfin]

Probably once he has won Lombardia at least once so there's room at the end of the season to prepare for that

He could try it anyway within a few years. Merckx is begging that he should try it and apparantly Remco's father also said he would likely be interested but they didn't discuss it yet. So he will probably go for it if he can go all in and late season might give him the opportunity (and the shape to do it). I can't see it happening during his first year at RBH so we will have to wait.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Probably once he has won Lombardia at least once so there's room at the end of the season to prepare for that

End of the season is a likely time. Not sure if he'll wait till he wins Lombardy though. I think it will happen within let's say 3 years.

 

[Oldman]

The simplest answer is when it becomes commercially interesting enough. And in that case it would most likely be shortly after the road season.

As for the weight, I think the answer should be that it doesn't matter cause he can probably show up after a 2 week bender and still beat it. It was 2022, Ganna wasn't even in top shape, the record isn't that sharp.

Honestly I'm not sure why riders like Tarling aren't lining up to try and beat it and get their name on the list before Evenepoel takes it for a very long time.

The reason for not doing it is singular for specialists: if you don't succeed it is a tough investment to write off. You can't ignore that loss as it is all you and for a tt'er that could define you.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The reason for not doing it is singular for specialists: if you don't succeed it is a tough investment to write off. You can't ignore that loss as it is all you and for a tt'er that could define you.

Like Rick said, Evenepoel could break the record in his sleep. Just schedule it somewhere in the timeframe close to a big ITT goal (WCC, OG...).