Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Funny thing is, people seem to assume that someone would just work with Evenepoel on his wheel if he isn't contributing.
It could happen in a GT on a very specific situation, but generally nobody would work if Evenepoel doesn't contribute as well, so he can't just suck wheel even if he wants.

Huh? People know there are very few riders who will work with Evenepoel even if Evenepoel is doing 75% of the work. Roglic repeatedly refuses to take as much as 1 turn when he is with Evenepoel. How many turns did Skjelmose give him? Or Madouas? Or Lutsenko? At first a bit just to appease him and show good will, not to actually help. The only time he gets some turns is when he is in a group (like during WCC and ECC). And every time the others give him a turn, the tempo drops and they lose more time. so he has no choice but to drop them and he then comes a bit closer, while those he left behind lose extra minutes.

Nobody assumes what you believe because Evenepoel is not Roglic.

 

[YavorD]

Nobody assumes what you believe because Evenepoel is not Roglic.

Wait, what don I believe?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Wait, what don I believe?

"Funny thing is, people seem to assume that someone would just work with Evenepoel on his wheel if he isn't contributing."

People don't assume that at all, i do not understand where you got that belief from.

 

[Lequack]

So is he doing the hour record this year? I could see him beating Ganna's time with the form he's in.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

So is he doing the hour record this year?

No

 

[SHAD0W93]

i rarely visit the vingegaard and pogacar part of this forum. yet Pogacar fans always find their way to the remco thread.
strange stuff. I almost think they're obsessed.

Other Evenepoel fans aren’t only limited to the Remco thread either.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Other Evenepoel fans aren’t only limited to the Remco thread either.

It's still kinda sad. Pogacar won a race today. Instead of talking about that in his thread, they're here talking about remco.
I dunno, i just find that a bit sad.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So is he doing the hour record this year? I could see him beating Ganna's time with the form he's in.

It seems you've misunderstood the concept.

 

[Peyroteo94]

fair. I think, however, it is my experience on a discussion board that qualifiers and balanced talk rarely win out. I honestly don't think @Logic-is-your-friend ever said or even intimated that Pog was "terrible" pre-2024. I know many remco "fans" like him (and myself) who will grant you that overall, Pog was still the best cyclist pre-2024. but he was definitely human, lost and could get dropped. and pre-2024, other than a couple of instances, it was really only Remco who had made the long solo victory a thing (something that he did from the beginning in the Juniors and many thought he would never be able to replicate in the pros). So, while not wanting to put words in @Logic-is-your-friend's mouth, I think he is simply pointing that out.

And the reality is, without Pog, remco would have continued his long solo wins at both Worlds and Euros. The gap between him and the rest is really in line with previous remco solos.

the difference is pog as of 2024 suddenly was able to do the same and even more. that's all. leaving remco behind, yes, sometimes way behind. but to also judge their qualities merely on the last two years is also to ignore a very different reality that preceded.

He actually said 2022-2023 Remco would cook Pogacar on the flat and drop him on RaF. Like 2022-2023 Pogacar, the guy who dropped MVP in RVV is similar to Lutsenko or Madouas to be cooked on the flat... but in this thread, "logic is not present"

 

[AmRacer]

It's still kinda sad. Pogacar won a race today. Instead of talking about that in his thread, they're here talking about remco.
I dunno, i just find that a bit sad.

Pogi wins so many races I cannot count them any longer..

 

[KenFiamingo]

It seems you've misunderstood the concept.

Well it would be typical Remco to complete the hour record in less than an hour.

 

[Berniece]

He actually said 2022-2023 Remco would cook Pogacar on the flat and drop him on RaF.

Maybe it’s because English is not your first language, but could != would.

Even if Evenepoel wouldn't have been able to drop Pogacar on La Redoute, he could very well have cooked him on the flat after and drop him on Roche aux Faucons.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well it would be typical Remco to complete the hour record in less than an hour.

This is probably the only reason why Pog is so dominant. He found a way to bend the space time continuum.

 

[AlpRaid]

He actually said 2022-2023 Remco would cook Pogacar on the flat and drop him on RaF. Like 2022-2023 Pogacar, the guy who dropped MVP in RVV is similar to Lutsenko or Madouas to be cooked on the flat... but in this thread, "logic is not present"

well we don't know of course.

but he dropped him on a hill at the 2021 euros...(when remco was still not fully back from Lombardia crash), so it's not really that difficult to surmise this could happen again before the 2024 transformation.

the only thing being pointed out was pog pre-2024 was very good, but also human and beatable. I will agree with all you pog fans that since the start of 2024, that is no longer the case.

I really do not understand what drives pog fans crazy about these data-driven observations? It's as if they cannot be satisfied with pog winning everything for two years, they feel obliged to make an alternate history where pog was always this. I hate to break it to you -- that is simply not factual.

 

[Copperberg]

), you only lose vs Pog

I am impressed! I stated my opinion about Remco and the way he race and you twisted that to be a post about Pogi versue Remco. You know, I can have an opinion about Remco without mentioning Pogi. I am a remarkable old man....

 

[Peyroteo94]

well we don't know of course.

but he dropped him on a hill at the 2021 euros...(when remco was still not fully back from Lombardia crash), so it's not really that difficult to surmise this could happen again before the 2024 transformation.

the only thing being pointed out was pog pre-2024 was very good, but also human and beatable. I will agree with all you pog fans that since the start of 2024, that is no longer the case.

I really do not understand what drives pog fans crazy about these data-driven observations? It's as if they cannot be satisfied with pog winning everything for two years, they feel obliged to make an alternate history where pog was always this. I hate to break it to you -- that is simply not factual.

1 - Remco being similar to Pogacar in long climbs (unipuerto stages)
2 - Remco could cook Pogacar on the flat (because he somewhat did it against Lutsenko or other lesser riders)

These takes are completely ridiculous. And you are talking about data? You try to act like you have an impartial opinion (you can't) but as we can see, you defend what is not defensible unless (for example) you also think Remco was as good as Pogacar in unipuerto stages with long MTF.

 

[KoopaCycling]

I am impressed! I stated my opinion about Remco and the way he race and you twisted that to be a post about Pogi versue Remco. You know, I can have an opinion about Remco without mentioning Pogi. I am a remarkable old man....

Yeah these pogi fanboys are getting tiresome

You try and talk about what remco needs to do, to become the best version of himself. Put himself into a position where he can compete for prizes. And they insist on swooping in and making it about Pogacar. Saying stuff like no matter what remco does , tadej is invincible. Remco no good, he won't ever make it cause Pogacar is so much better. It ain't about Pogacar. It's about what remco needs to do to have a shot at beating everyone, including the current best rider of the world.

But nope. a conversation about that is impossible without Pogacar fanboys hijacking the thread so as to underline how good pogacar is. As if we don't know know Pogacar is the current standard one needs to overcome.

And maybe Remco never overcomes that standard, it don't matter. What matters is doing everything you can to beat Pogacar and the rest.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah these pogi fanboys are getting tiresome

You try and talk about what remco needs to do, to become the best version of himself. Put himself into a position where he can compete for prizes. And they insist on swooping in and making it about Pogacar. Saying stuff like no matter what remco does , tadej is invincible. Remco no good, he won't ever make it cause Pogacar is so much better. It ain't about Pogacar. It's about what remco needs to do to have a shot at beating everyone, including the current best rider of the world.

But nope. a conversation about that is impossible without Pogacar fanboys hijacking the thread so as to underline how good pogacar is. As if we don't know know Pogacar is the current standard one needs to overcome.

And maybe Remco never overcomes that standard, it don't matter. What matters is doing everything you can to beat Pogacar and the rest.

You are giving others moral lessons about Pogacar fanboys hijacking this thread (like you own this thread. Sorry, you don't) but today you went to the Vingegaard's thread to say this:

If this was the remco thread. People be flooding it with posts about excuses and a different tale before and after the race. How dare Jonas now say that him not spending time on the bike for 2 weeks after the vuelta may be a reason for his lesser performance. And how dare he assume he is capable of 1 day racing and possible winning when having only won 1 one day race. This needs dozens of posts on that sort of blasphemy. At least if this was the Remco thread...

I feel some incoherence, am I wrong?

 

[KoopaCycling]

You are giving others moral lessons about Pogacar fanboys hijacking this thread (like you own this thread. Sorry, you don't) but today you went to the Vingegaard's thread to say this:



I feel some incoherence, am I wrong?

Thats me getting tired of the pogi fanboys and lashing out. So no there is no incoherence. Me stating my dissatisfaction with pogi fanboys(&others) their annoying behavior.

Can you not sense the underlying irritation of that post about ppl behavior in the remco thread

 

[topt]

i rarely visit the vingegaard and pogacar part of this forum. yet Pogacar fans always find their way to the remco thread.
strange stuff. I almost think they're obse

its more about making fun of the belgian delusions which can be seen even with the thread title

 

[topt]

Thats me getting tired of the pogi fanboys and lashing out. So no there is no incoherence. Me stating my dissatisfaction with pogi fanboys their annoying behavior.

Can you not sense the underlying irritation of that post about ppl behavior in the remco thread

thats rich coming from delusional Remco fans

 

[KoopaCycling]

its more about making fun of the belgian delusions which can be seen even with the thread title

Nah thats a lie

 

[KoopaCycling]

thats rich coming from delusional Remco fans

I am not the one posting negative stuff all the time in a fan based thread about a rider and their fans.

 

[topt]

I am not the one posting negative stuff all the time in a fan based thread about a rider and their fans.

stop being delusional and you will not be getting responses like that

 

[topt]

Nah thats a lie

nope, its actually really fun for me to read takes of Remco fans, thats why I am here