Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Lequack]

So is he doing the hour record this year? I could see him beating Ganna's time with the form he's in.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

So is he doing the hour record this year?

No

 

[SHAD0W93]

i rarely visit the vingegaard and pogacar part of this forum. yet Pogacar fans always find their way to the remco thread.
strange stuff. I almost think they're obsessed.

Other Evenepoel fans aren’t only limited to the Remco thread either.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Other Evenepoel fans aren’t only limited to the Remco thread either.

It's still kinda sad. Pogacar won a race today. Instead of talking about that in his thread, they're here talking about remco.
I dunno, i just find that a bit sad.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

So is he doing the hour record this year? I could see him beating Ganna's time with the form he's in.

It seems you've misunderstood the concept.

 

[Peyroteo94]

fair. I think, however, it is my experience on a discussion board that qualifiers and balanced talk rarely win out. I honestly don't think @Logic-is-your-friend ever said or even intimated that Pog was "terrible" pre-2024. I know many remco "fans" like him (and myself) who will grant you that overall, Pog was still the best cyclist pre-2024. but he was definitely human, lost and could get dropped. and pre-2024, other than a couple of instances, it was really only Remco who had made the long solo victory a thing (something that he did from the beginning in the Juniors and many thought he would never be able to replicate in the pros). So, while not wanting to put words in @Logic-is-your-friend's mouth, I think he is simply pointing that out.

And the reality is, without Pog, remco would have continued his long solo wins at both Worlds and Euros. The gap between him and the rest is really in line with previous remco solos.

the difference is pog as of 2024 suddenly was able to do the same and even more. that's all. leaving remco behind, yes, sometimes way behind. but to also judge their qualities merely on the last two years is also to ignore a very different reality that preceded.

He actually said 2022-2023 Remco would cook Pogacar on the flat and drop him on RaF. Like 2022-2023 Pogacar, the guy who dropped MVP in RVV is similar to Lutsenko or Madouas to be cooked on the flat... but in this thread, "logic is not present"

 

[AmRacer]

It's still kinda sad. Pogacar won a race today. Instead of talking about that in his thread, they're here talking about remco.
I dunno, i just find that a bit sad.

Pogi wins so many races I cannot count them any longer..

 

[KenFiamingo]

It seems you've misunderstood the concept.

Well it would be typical Remco to complete the hour record in less than an hour.

 

[Berniece]

He actually said 2022-2023 Remco would cook Pogacar on the flat and drop him on RaF.

Maybe it’s because English is not your first language, but could != would.

Even if Evenepoel wouldn't have been able to drop Pogacar on La Redoute, he could very well have cooked him on the flat after and drop him on Roche aux Faucons.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well it would be typical Remco to complete the hour record in less than an hour.

This is probably the only reason why Pog is so dominant. He found a way to bend the space time continuum.

 

[AlpRaid]

He actually said 2022-2023 Remco would cook Pogacar on the flat and drop him on RaF. Like 2022-2023 Pogacar, the guy who dropped MVP in RVV is similar to Lutsenko or Madouas to be cooked on the flat... but in this thread, "logic is not present"

well we don't know of course.

but he dropped him on a hill at the 2021 euros...(when remco was still not fully back from Lombardia crash), so it's not really that difficult to surmise this could happen again before the 2024 transformation.

the only thing being pointed out was pog pre-2024 was very good, but also human and beatable. I will agree with all you pog fans that since the start of 2024, that is no longer the case.

I really do not understand what drives pog fans crazy about these data-driven observations? It's as if they cannot be satisfied with pog winning everything for two years, they feel obliged to make an alternate history where pog was always this. I hate to break it to you -- that is simply not factual.

 

[Copperberg]

), you only lose vs Pog

I am impressed! I stated my opinion about Remco and the way he race and you twisted that to be a post about Pogi versue Remco. You know, I can have an opinion about Remco without mentioning Pogi. I am a remarkable old man....

 

[Peyroteo94]

well we don't know of course.

but he dropped him on a hill at the 2021 euros...(when remco was still not fully back from Lombardia crash), so it's not really that difficult to surmise this could happen again before the 2024 transformation.

the only thing being pointed out was pog pre-2024 was very good, but also human and beatable. I will agree with all you pog fans that since the start of 2024, that is no longer the case.

I really do not understand what drives pog fans crazy about these data-driven observations? It's as if they cannot be satisfied with pog winning everything for two years, they feel obliged to make an alternate history where pog was always this. I hate to break it to you -- that is simply not factual.

1 - Remco being similar to Pogacar in long climbs (unipuerto stages)
2 - Remco could cook Pogacar on the flat (because he somewhat did it against Lutsenko or other lesser riders)

These takes are completely ridiculous. And you are talking about data? You try to act like you have an impartial opinion (you can't) but as we can see, you defend what is not defensible unless (for example) you also think Remco was as good as Pogacar in unipuerto stages with long MTF.

 

[AlpRaid]

1 - Remco being similar to Pogacar in long climbs (unipuerto stages)
2 - Remco could cook Pogacar on the flat (because he somewhat did it against Lutsenko or other lesser riders)

These takes are completely ridiculous. And you are talking about data? You try to act like you have an impartial opinion (you can't) but as we can see, you defend what is not defensible unless (for example) you also think Remco was as good as Pogacar in unipuerto stages with long MTF.

I literally made no mention of long climbs.

Also pointed out that before 2024 Remco did cook pog even on a climb.

Pog fans literally cannot compute that there is a difference between pre-and post 2024 pog. Or maybe they simply note that to admit it shows some doubts.

Lol. Just listening to the cycling podcast, and the guy on it talks about the difference in Pog over the last two years. As well, as the fact that the viewership on TV has gone down precipitously. No one believes what they’re watching anymore.

Also, again, your posts could be verbatim from the Armstrong era. human nature is truly fascinating. Speaking of delusional thinking.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

its more about making fun of the belgian delusions which can be seen even with the thread title

People keep misunderstanding the thread title. DNP Old followed it up with a thread hyping Marco Brenner as being the next Evenepoel, but I guess it was because DNP's secretly a German. It was not meant to be taken litteral since no one really expected anyone to dominate racing like Merckx did ever again.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I wish Trey Parker and Matt Stone were cycling fans so they could make whole South Park season off the different cycling threads. I’ll be Clyde, @RedheadDane can play herself since she’s already has the character.

On Evenepoel I hope he can keep getting closer to Pogacar in GdL to hopefully set up some fun classics and monuments next year.

 

[Oldman]

Beaten with 3 minutes by Vingegaard on one lung who was also spitting out numbers better than the year before... when he beat Pogacar by 8 minutes.

The "8 minutes" keeps getting dredged up. No one rider beat Pogacar on that day; he bonked when there were still 30 guys in the field going through a lower village. No attacks, no heroic efforts by anyone at that point. Vindegaard could be seen looking around and checking with his DS via radio before he set off to "bury" that dead horse....the one you keep flogging.

 

[dobrien]

could != would

You wouldn't be a programmer perchance, would you?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The "8 minutes" keeps getting dredged up. No one rider beat Pogacar on that day; he bonked when there were still 30 guys in the field going through a lower village. No attacks, no heroic efforts by anyone at that point. Vindegaard could be seen looking around and checking with his DS via radio before he set off to "bury" that dead horse....the one you keep flogging.

Can't remember the last time i even mentioned this, if ever. So by replying to it, it is you who is flogging it, rather than me no? Also, i can't help but wonder why you would feel the need to reply at all when the point of the post clearly eludes you.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

People keep misunderstanding the thread title. DNP Old followed it up with a thread hyping Marco Brenner as being the next Evenepoel, but I guess it was because DNP's secretly a German. It was not meant to be taken litteral since no one really expected anyone to dominate racing like Merckx did ever again.

Dude wants to make fun of Belgian delusions, please let him. Too funny.

DNP-Old was Dutch/Columbian.

 

[red_flanders]

I always took it as a riff on the Wilco Kelderman is the New Merckx thread.

Seemed to me like both a joke, given the number of "next Merckx's" we've heard of, and expression of fond hope.

 

[Berniece]

You wouldn't be a programmer perchance, would you?

I was doubting between using != and <>

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think this is a good way to end the conflict between Evenepoel and Pogacar fans:

In 1985, Ben Healy and Marcel Kittel released a video of how the differences between Evenepoel at QuickStep and Pogacar at UAE came to be. Watch the video on youtube.

 

[Berflamand]

There is one very important aspect where Remco pre-2024 was clearly better than Pogacar pre-2024 and that is 'being talked about' as is proven by an undeniable statistic on this forum.

At 01/01/2024 the page counts for the threads were as followed:

• Pogacar thread: 385 pages
• Remco thread: 891 pages

As of now it is:

• Pogacar thread: 1600
• Remco thread: 1407

That is one very impressive leap by Pogacar but it's undeniable that Remco was clearly better at this pre-2024.

Spoiler

Yes, this is tongue in cheek, please don't attack me

 

[Berniece]

There is one very important aspect where Remco pre-2024 was clearly better than Pogacar pre-2024 and that is 'being talked about' as is proven by an undeniable statistic on this forum.

At 01/01/2024 the page counts for the threads were as followed:

• Pogacar thread: 385 pages
• Remco thread: 891 pages

As of now it is:

• Pogacar thread: 1600
• Remco thread: 1407

That is one very impressive leap by Pogacar but it's undeniable that Remco was clearly better at this pre-2024.

Spoiler

Yes, this is tongue in cheek, please don't attack me

They have less view though. Maybe UAE should invest in some Indian click farms to get those views up.