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Wether Remco can improve at Red Bull remains to be seen. However with some people joining him in the move, he should be able to settle in well. If he does settle well, at least one thing he won't have to deal with anymore is the tranfer rumours. I've already seen some people try and make Del Toro the new transfer rumour guy. even though he seems locked in at UAE. And they have all the money. It's a good thing that is hopefully settled.
 
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If the Giro is better than what Tour served up for Remco, i think the choice should be obvious.
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We don't really know what his goals are. Eventually Real goal could be LBL, Giro, TdF (at least yellow jersey), WC TT+RR and Lombardy. He should also start winning some one week stage races. He won Vuelta, UAE tour and was 3rd TdF but other then that he is crazy bad at stage races. He could potentialy try at MSR and RVV but his positioning is too bad for those two races. I think if he does schedule like T-A, Romandie, Giro and he forgets about LBL for one season he would really make progress in terms of his climbing. At Giro 2023 he said LBL preparation killed his Giro chances but he also said he will never skip LBL. With skipping LBL, he could 100% concentrate himself on climbing and he could probably win T-A (i doubt Tadej or Jonas will be there) and Romandie, since both of those races should suit him, also better preparation for Giro then LBL. Giro probably without Tadej and even Jonas(i still don't believe he will go). At TdF on this route Remco can't do much but they could try get yellow jersey at TTT. After TdF he has enough time for WC TT+RR, EC RR and Lombardia.
 
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We don't really know what his goals are. Eventually Real goal could be LBL, Giro, TdF (at least yellow jersey), WC TT+RR and Lombardy. He should also start winning some one week stage races. He won Vuelta, UAE tour and was 3rd TdF but other then that he is crazy bad at stage races. He could potentialy try at MSR and RVV but his positioning is too bad for those two races. I think if he does schedule like T-A, Romandie, Giro and he forgets about LBL for one season he would really make progress in terms of his climbing. At Giro 2023 he said LBL preparation killed his Giro chances but he also said he will never skip LBL. With skipping LBL, he could 100% concentrate himself on climbing and he could probably win T-A (i doubt Tadej or Jonas will be there) and Romandie, since both of those races should suit him, also better preparation for Giro then LBL. Giro probably without Tadej and even Jonas(i still don't believe he will go). At TdF on this route Remco can't do much but they could try get yellow jersey at TTT. After TdF he has enough time for WC TT+RR, EC RR and Lombardia.
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crazy bad at stage racing... Giro 23 bid ended cause of LBL...
sure thing buddy.
Have at it.
 
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We don't really know what his goals are. Eventually Real goal could be LBL, Giro, TdF (at least yellow jersey), WC TT+RR and Lombardy. He should also start winning some one week stage races. He won Vuelta, UAE tour and was 3rd TdF but other then that he is crazy bad at stage races. He could potentialy try at MSR and RVV but his positioning is too bad for those two races. I think if he does schedule like T-A, Romandie, Giro and he forgets about LBL for one season he would really make progress in terms of his climbing. At Giro 2023 he said LBL preparation killed his Giro chances but he also said he will never skip LBL. With skipping LBL, he could 100% concentrate himself on climbing and he could probably win T-A (i doubt Tadej or Jonas will be there) and Romandie, since both of those races should suit him, also better preparation for Giro then LBL. Giro probably without Tadej and even Jonas(i still don't believe he will go). At TdF on this route Remco can't do much but they could try get yellow jersey at TTT. After TdF he has enough time for WC TT+RR, EC RR and Lombardia.
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"...crazy bad at stage rages ..."

Since turning pro he has 12 GC wins and 18 GC podiums or 2 wins and 3 podiums on average per year.
 
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"...crazy bad at stage rages ..."

Since turning pro he has 12 GC wins and 18 GC podiums or 2 wins and 3 podiums on average per year.
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You want to tell me Remco's caliber of rider should be ok with this? He won only Vuelta and UAE tour that are worth of mention and i feel sick to throw that UAE win as his "major stage race wins ". His Vuelta win and 3rd place at TdF are only things why we think he could be great at GT racing. Otherwise he has really bad results for someone like him.
 
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It tracks pretty well with him struggling to get to his climbing weight for long periods at a time, in addition to being more classics and ITT oriented outside of the GTs.
 
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You want to tell me Remco's caliber of rider should be ok with this? He won only Vuelta and UAE tour that are worth of mention and i feel sick to throw that UAE win as his "major stage race wins ". His Vuelta win and 3rd place at TdF are only things why we think he could be great at GT racing. Otherwise he has really bad results for someone like him.
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I tell you what the facts are. I am not telling you if he or anyone else is satisfied with it. This thread is full of subjective interpretations about what he should be, should do or thinks.

So, no, objectively speaking he doesn't have bad GC results at all. Is Pogi better? Obviously, yes. Pogi is miles ahead. Are some others better at his age? Possibly. Does it make him crazy bad at GC's? No. He has results that confirm he is actually good at it.
 
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I tell you what the facts are. I am not telling you if he or anyone else is satisfied with it. This thread is full of subjective interpretations about what he should be, should do or thinks.

So, no, objectively speaking he doesn't have bad GC results at all. Is Pogi better? Obviously, yes. Pogi is miles ahead. Are some others better at his age? Possibly. Does it make him crazy bad at GC's? No. He has results that confirm he is actually good at it.
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GT, Pogi, Jonas, Rogla, Yates maybe some more have better results. Maybe Carapaz too..

The 7 big one week, Jonas, Pogi, Rogla, Jorgenson, Almeida, Ayuso....have better results.
 
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I think it's just the term 'crazy bad' that some people take offence with.

I can't speak for everyone but personally I agree that his results in the big one-week stage races could/should have been better by now (even if there are some explanations for some results) but there's a whole lot of middle ground before calling someone 'crazy bad' at something.

I hope he puts this discussion to bed next season but honestly I'd actually rather have him win MSR or even a third LBL than a big one-week stage race if I would have to choose.
 
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In 2022 Vingegaard was accused of being a Tour only rider, but he had at that point better results in the big one-week stage races than Evenepoel has.
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Not a huge difference tho, if any.
Jonas had at the end of the 2022 season 3x 2nd (Dauphine, Itulzia and Tirreno) + 6th (Itulzia) and 8th (Pologne). If we just look at the 4 first that gives an average position of 3,0. Remcos 4 best results in the big one week stages gives 2,75.
But one cant argue in favor of Remco given what Jonas did after 2022.
 
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