Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[KoopaCycling]

Isn't that the usual critic of UAE? That older riders also improve there? Wellens, Narvaez, Yates literally podiumed the Tour at UAE

I never said they won't be a force or that riders can't improve there. But most people here expect Remco to greatly improve at RBH, simply because of Red Bull part when the evidence so far shows the exact opposite, that "nobody" improves there since Red Bull got there

No that aint the case at all. Show me evidence that nobody improved. Aside from dismissing evidence that people actually improved like lipo. All evidence suggests they been strenghtening their staff and resources with the red bull money.

 

[vappaxbipmv]

No that aint the case at all. Show me evidence that nobody improved. Aside from dismissing evidence that people actually improved like lipo. All evidence suggests they been strenghtening their staff and resources with the red bull money.

Bruh, I'm literally speaking about facts, the past, things that already happened or didn't in this case. But [content deleted] I'm done with this conversation, good day

 

[Oldman]

No that aint the case at all. Show me evidence that nobody improved. Aside from dismissing evidence that people actually improved like lipo. All evidence suggests they been strenghtening their staff and resources with the red bull money.

Hasn't much of the staff, team members and programs been changing constantly for several years as you've noted? Alot.

This response: "I never said they won't be a force or that riders can't improve there. But most people here expect Remco to greatly improve at RBH, simply because of Red Bull part when the evidence so far shows the exact opposite, that "nobody" improves there since Red Bull got there" and this:"Bruh, I'm literally speaking about facts, the past, things that already happened or didn't in this case. But I see you're too stubborn to see my point. I'm done with this conversation, good day"

Difficult to argue with pretzeled logic but most folks that have watched Remco largely expect him to grow in the RBH environment for GTs, IMO. SQS catered to his existing strengths that clearly did not. He has yet to race for anyone else but himself on SQS.
The statement misses the FACT that Red Bull is a sponsor; not the team structure. The sponsorship brings cash and access to technology and medical/training research of it's own that might be useful. It's up to the team to accomplish something with it, of course.

Who calls anyone "Bruh"?

 

[AmRacer]

No that aint the case at all. Show me evidence that nobody improved. Aside from dismissing evidence that people actually improved like lipo. All evidence suggests they been strenghtening their staff and resources with the red bull money.

Show evidence anybody improved.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Bruh, I'm literally speaking about facts, the past, things that already happened or didn't in this case. But [content deleted] I'm done with this conversation, good day

So you are asked for facts and bail cause you have a hard time finding them. Meanwhile articles about staff, infrastructure, trainers, new technology they are looking at been coming out.

 

[Salvarani]

So you are asked for facts and bail cause you have a hard time finding them. Meanwhile articles about staff, infrastructure, trainers, new technology they are looking at been coming out.

Everything couldnt be better then. Nice.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Everything couldnt be better then. Nice.

That depends on the kind of person you are. Some people mentioned that Bora was too structural for them in the past. Everything too decided. Pretty sure Thomas de Gendt would not have lasted. i doubt the Red Bull money in general will go to waste. As Red Bull is known for investing in sports and getting results. They are relative new to cycling though, so some fine-tuning may be needed. Overall though, more resources coupled with genuine desire to achieve results tend to work out. I've seen nothing to the contrary as of yet in regards to the Red Bull cycling team. I've not seen that they are fumbling the bag.

 

[Berflamand]

I hope RBBH can improve him but to be honest I think the biggest gains are simply to be won by having an injury free and stress free winter training season to build on his end-of-season form without any hiccups.

His future is secured, there's no more transfer talks/stress. He had a great fall season this year so now it's time to steadily build on that during the winter while staying clear of any injuries/illness/other hiccups.

I think that's where the biggest differences might be made because he hasn't exactly had a long smooth period for a while now.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Salvarani]

That depends on the kind of person you are. Some people mentioned that Bora was too structural for them in the past. Everything too decided. Pretty sure Thomas de Gendt would not have lasted. i doubt the Red Bull money in general will go to waste. As Red Bull is known for investing in sports and getting results. They are relative new to cycling though, so some fine-tuning may be needed. Overall though, more resources coupled with genuine desire to achieve results tend to work out. I've seen nothing to the contrary as of yet in regards to the Red Bull cycling team. I've not seen that they are fumbling the bag.

All is well then.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

No one has any real facts about how his training will change or how young riders are developing on RB vs. how they would have developed elsewhere. We can say for sure that Roglic came over from JV and his form took a little dip in early 2024 as he figured it out, but then he looked great winning the Vuelta for RB. And we can say that Lipowitz for sure has developed very well, about as well as you could possible expect him to have developed.

What I think will help Remco the most is having the confidence that a big team can bring. Maybe the training will be better, maybe he will get better support on tough days, maybe they can help him with technical descents, maybe he can learn from Roglic the sacrifices necessary to keep weight down and win stage races year round - tough to say. But I think with Remco confidence and the resultant grit to dig deep because he knows he has it in him is 80% of the battle. The other 20% probably being his weight. He will also have other riders like Roglic and Lipowitz to bring a sense of stability and reduce the pressure (although an argument could be made that it increases the pressure).

 

[AmRacer]

No one has any real facts about how his training will change or how young riders are developing on RB vs. how they would have developed elsewhere. We can say for sure that Roglic came over from JV and his form took a little dip in early 2024 as he figured it out, but then he looked great winning the Vuelta for RB. And we can say that Lipowitz for sure has developed very well, about as well as you could possible expect him to have developed.

What I think will help Remco the most is having the confidence that a big team can bring. Maybe the training will be better, maybe he will get better support on tough days, maybe they can help him with technical descents, maybe he can learn from Roglic the sacrifices necessary to keep weight down and win stage races year round - tough to say. But I think with Remco confidence and the resultant grit to dig deep because he knows he has it in him is 80% of the battle. The other 20% probably being his weight. He will also have other riders like Roglic and Lipowitz to bring a sense of stability and reduce the pressure (although an argument could be made that it increases the pressure).

Roglic changed equipment, Remco doesn't.

 

[Berflamand]

Roglic changed equipment, Remco doesn't.

That's a great advantage indeed but he does change clothing equipment, something Roglic also struggled with during his first races at Bora IIRC?

 

[red_flanders]

No one has any real facts about how his training will change or how young riders are developing on RB vs. how they would have developed elsewhere. We can say for sure that Roglic came over from JV and his form took a little dip in early 2024 as he figured it out, but then he looked great winning the Vuelta for RB. And we can say that Lipowitz for sure has developed very well, about as well as you could possible expect him to have developed.

What I think will help Remco the most is having the confidence that a big team can bring. Maybe the training will be better, maybe he will get better support on tough days, maybe they can help him with technical descents, maybe he can learn from Roglic the sacrifices necessary to keep weight down and win stage races year round - tough to say. But I think with Remco confidence and the resultant grit to dig deep because he knows he has it in him is 80% of the battle. The other 20% probably being his weight. He will also have other riders like Roglic and Lipowitz to bring a sense of stability and reduce the pressure (although an argument could be made that it increases the pressure).

Good post. Would only add that I thought Roglic was as strong as I've ever seen him in the Tour 2024 before he crashed out.