Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ashhutch1997]

The thing is with Hatch etc. they're between a rock and a hard place. Most of them are self employed so why would they start shouting the odds? Plus they do that and they're open to liable stuff.

The problem is doping just isn't mentioned anymore, like it doesn't exist. Lance and team Sky were hammered for years for far more human performances compared to Pog.

 

[ivanic]

We've been seeing this obscenity almost weekly for years now.
This goes beyond any cyclist who's been caught or has been cheating.
And no one asks: what has to happen for journalists and the media to take a stand against him? Does he have to ride a 500cc?

 

[ashhutch1997]

We've been seeing this obscenity almost weekly for years now.
This goes beyond any cyclist who's been caught or has been cheating.
And no one asks: what has to happen for journalists and the media to take a stand against him? Does he have to ride a 500cc?

Unfortunately in 2026, you aren't allowed to question the mainstream natative. Would love to have a David Wash or Paul Kimmage.

 

[AlpRaid]

1 minute and 15 seconds cut off his Redoute time from 2021 (when he also won).

25% improvement.

EPO territory and beyond. And his manager is Gianetti FFS.

LOL!

 

[onefortheroad]

Why credit to Seixas though? I'm pretty sure in a couple of years everyone is going to be extremely bored of him winning everything.

Just for being the "new kid on the block" delivering such a fantastic performance.
I suspect it will take quite a lot for him to even start bothering Pogi consistently, but we shall see. Time will tell if he can actually reach the ridiculous levels of dominance we see in Pogi.

 

[AlpRaid]

Just for being the "new kid on the block" delivering such a fantastic performance.
I suspect it will take quite a lot for him to even start bothering Pogi consistently, but we shall see. Time will tell if he can actually reach the ridiculous levels of dominance we see in Pogi.

At least he was a prodigy at a young age. And he’s doing this while on a French team under French laws. Much more believable.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Why credit to Seixas though? I'm pretty sure in a couple of years everyone is going to be extremely bored of him winning everything.

We'll moan about that in the future. But I'm at the stage where the more mutants the better, I just want to watch a competitive race.

 

[Divergence]

The problem is doping just isn't mentioned anymore, like it doesn't exist. Lance and team Sky were hammered for years for far more human performances compared to Pog.

The difference is that people knew exactly what Lance was doing. Everybody who was not blind knew about EPO, about blood transfusion, testosterone and what not. Can you point out to what they are doing nowadays?

 

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

The difference is that people knew exactly what Lance was doing. Everybody who was not blind knew about EPO, about blood transfusion, testosterone and what not. Can you point out to what they are doing nowadays?

Well, probably EPO, blood transfusions and testosterone for starters, there's still quite a bit of wiggle room to get away with it. On top of that? Synthetic hemoglobin or other novel blood manipulations techniques (like siRNA targeting EGLN/PHD), HGH/IGF-1,... i could go on and on.

 

[Nomad]

WADA has become more proficient at detecting EPO microdosing. Blood transfusions easily trip the ABP (the ABP is very sensitive to transfusions - that was it's main purpose when it was designed back in 2008).

On testosterone, the CIRC test can detect even very small amounts of synthetic testosterone (the test can distinguish between natural occurring cholesterol-based testosterone vs plant-based derived synthetic testosterone). No need to rely on the old-fashioned T/E ration test which sets a limit of 4:1 T/E ratio for a positive. Plus there's the ABP steroid module that'll pick up small amounts of anabolic steroids even the compounds with short glow times.

IMO, I just don't see how biological doping can be used effectively these days unless teams/riders are paying off authorities to look the other way?