Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[KoopaCycling]

I don't think Jonas is in GT shape either, and same for Almeida. And no, they are all at the same point, nobody is further from top shape. The one(s) who have start racing should have an advantage though. Who dislike Remco?

No no, you always claimed Almeida and Vingegaard default shape more closely resembles their GT shape, as they are more naturally suited to it.
By your logic Almeida and Vingegaard should then by default be naturally better when Remco is equally as far away as the other two from his GT shape.

 

[AmRacer]

If that makes you happy.

Neither happy or the opposite

 

[red_flanders]

Neither happy or the opposite

I struggle to find the point of labeling anyone in such a subjective way. He has to work harder than some really skinny guys to get to weight. That's all I said.

I get cringe Phil Ligget vibes like when he had to make some distinction between "real climbers" and the guys like Indurain and Armstrong who blew them away in the mountains. It seems dumb to me. One could also just have called them "guys who can't TT or climb as well as big champions".

 

[AmRacer]

I struggle to find the point of labeling anyone in such a subjective way. He has to work harder than some really skinny guys to get to weight. That's all I said.

I get cringe Phil Ligget vibes like when he had to make some distinction between "real climbers" and the guys like Indurain and Armstrong who blew them away in the mountains. It seems dumb to me. One could also just have called them "guys who can't TT or climb as well as big champions".

Yeah, that's like the definition of a natural climber. They are built for it and has an advantage, while as you say, Remco and others have to work harder for it.

 

[red_flanders]

Yeah, that's like the definition of a natural climber. They are built for it and has an advantage, while as you say, Remco and others have to work harder for it.

Great. What was the point of your initial response to me then? Why did you need to ask me / state that he's not a "natural climber"?

I don't get the point.

 

[Extinction]

Anybody that can ride to third in his first Tour is a "natural climber" by any definition. At any rate, the whole notion of "natural" is scientifically meaningless, when it just boils down to power to weight ratio over sustained output. One either has it or not and everybody has to train hard and diet right to get there.

 

[AmRacer]

Anybody that can ride to third in his first Tour is a "natural climber" by any definition. At any rate, the whole notion of "natural" is scientifically meaningless, when it just boils down to power to weight ratio over sustained output. One either has it or not and everybody has to train hard and diet right to get there.

Some are more talented than others or has a body type matching the challenge. Others need to work harder for it.

 

[Cycling111]

Figueira classic in 2024.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018762414485889074

View: https://x.com/i/status/2018762414485889074

 

[Berniece]

Figueira classic in 2024.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018762414485889074

View: https://x.com/i/status/2018762414485889074

What do you mean?

 

[KoopaCycling]

Maybe that Remco looked in good shape early on in 2024 as well.

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Remco is in good shape, but not GT shape. Hence i expect no change vs Vingegaard in the mountains during the UAE Tour. I expect to see a status quo with previous years. I hope he shows glimpses of improvement , and i want to see even more during the dauphiné. That way we know Red Bull new regime is paying off.

I'm just saying that Almeida, like Vinegaard is considered more consistent in his shape. If Almeida is as good as advertised by those that dislike Remco, it should be no contest. Personally i think they're wrong. I expect Remco and Almeida to be close (despite Remco being probably further from his best by other people logic) than Almeida will be. And if Almeida somehow can't even keep up with Remco. I'll just consider almeida his hype and negativity around Remco to be no more then recency bias fueled by a not-so-hidden agenda.

We will have to wait until the Tour I'm afraid. At Dauphine he'll face neither Pogacar nor Vingegaard. They others he should be better than anyway

 

[Cycling111]

Almeida lost against Buitrago last year. His first race isn't usually his most consistent, and this route doesn't suit him.

 

[KoopaCycling]

We will have to wait until the Tour I'm afraid. At Dauphine he'll face neither Pogacar nor Vingegaard. They others he should be better than anyway

Fair enough. I kinda assumed Vingegaard was doing the Dauphiné. I do rate Del Toro quite high. And he will be there methinks.

 

[James M]

I hope he shows glimpses of improvement , and i want to see even more during the dauphiné. That way we know Red Bull new regime is paying off.

Aknowleding his current position based on numbers doesnt always need to mean everyone is out for him, can also be the case of simply aknowledging the reality in relation when it comes to just climbing. The rest hes pretty good at.

Indeed and agree btw. Thats all one can hope for that would be a good sign if we see glimpse of improvement in those two MTF, a nice first step if so and that would be a good sign for whats to come.

So far he likes his training. Apparantly almost no training were he just rides a tempo. Always something mixed in to create fatigue.

I cannot believe if this wasnt already the case to a large degree last year? Long rides specifically designed with different variations of fatigue resistance training either treshold 3x10 or 4x5 VO2 max or whatever something along those lines in combined with glycogen manipulation to teach your body to produce power when youre tired are just modern cycling tutorial.