Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Red Rick]

I believe this would never be an issue in a road race. Also, how do you define being tired?

1. Depleted glycogen stored or other physiology leading to reduced performance compared to optimal conditions
2. The state of Red Rick when he reads that Tiberi lauds Del Toro as being at Pogacar's level.

 

[Tim Cahill]

If you want to be good at a certain type of effort then the best way is to do that effort over and over again. It’s why Pogacar has spent most of the last 3 months riding up and down the Cipressa and Poggio.

 

[Extinction]

It's unhealthy for him staying at that weight too long. Probably.

Sure, health is a necessary concern, but I think they should see how he holds up first before assuming anything.

 

[Red Rick]

They consume ridiculous amount of carbs nowadays so I'm not sure if their fat comsumption is higher than before. I don't think so regarding high intensity MTF but maybe it's the case for earlier phases of races.

As for being more fatty, those marathon world-beaters are still super-thin aren't they? I think they still have enough fat reserves.

Marathon runners are flat track bullies, they only run for 2 hours and they don't actually run in high fat consumption zones.

Once you get to more ultramarathon like stuff athletes aren't so uber skinny anymore.

Also, I read up on the carb intake science and it's not really that great. You don't really preserve much extra glycogen from adding more carbs past a certain point.

 

[AmRacer]

Sure, health is a necessary concern, but I think they should see how he holds up first before assuming anything.

Haven't they tried during the previous seasons? Not RBH but Remco and SQS

 

[Berniece]

I can't understand why he and his entourage think it's ok for him, in this day and age, to show up at a World Tour race with some tough to nasty climbs and think 65 kg is GC competitive weight. He should be 60 kg, or say 61 with something to lose by the Tour.

They should at least try to err on the low side, because the high one clearly has not worked. As has been notes, the way they feed during the races the lower weight should not affect performance, as energy supply is constantly replenished.

Arrogance, thinking it’s February and he should be fine, but a lot of riders are already at a high level coming from altitude

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Marathon runners are flat track bullies, they only run for 2 hours and they don't actually run in high fat consumption zones.

They run 20-30 km daily mostly in fat burning zones. Anyway, we saw how light Remco was in the summer 2024: it resulted in Tour podium and two golds.

 

[Divergence]

It's unhealthy for him staying at that weight too long. Probably.

It is not unhealthy to be in shape.

 

[Berniece]

Who went to altitude? looks like more cope cause i know one who didnt do an altitude camp.

Hes just not good enough. It really isnt hard to admit at this point. Its been 3 years since he won a WT stage race and the lvl has increased since then I know its crazy but it has and to bad Remco hasnt shown hes capable of that so far.

Tiberi, Seixas for example

 

[AmRacer]

It is not unhealthy to be in shape.

Maybe 60 kg isn't his best shape, but necessary for longer climbs

 

[Red Rick]

They run 20-30 km daily mostly in fat burning zones. Anyway, we saw how light Remco was in the summer 2024: it resulted in Tour podium and two golds.

So do IP merchants. You need the volume work even for threshold efforts. Doesn't mean you need the fat come race day if the race doesn't require any fat consumption.

As for Evenepoel, the question is really why he idolizes Ullrich so much. And nobody ever really seems to bother to answer that.

Maybe they're worried about RED-S syndrome, but I don't know. Being able to maintain a low % of bodyfat easily while maintaining overall training and health is one of the underrated talents in cycling.

 

[Cycling111]

Remco is small but doesn't have the build of a climber. In fact, he looks more like a small sprinter than a climber.

 

[Sciatic]

It's like he's a prop forward trying to play the scrum half position. Ain't gonna work, unless he plays against teams 2 divisions down.

I assume you mean it “ain’t going to work for him” when it comes to winning GTs?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Tiberi and Del Toro were not at altitude before this, however for those who have been keeping their ears to the streets, Swart has been banging quite recently on about some new 'methods' they've been using, saying they are looking to eliminate the need for altitude camps, read into that what you will.

Jonas Vingegaard did not do altitude before the 2023 Vuelta, nor Pogacar before the 2024 Giro, for what it's worth. Heat training does mimic some of the effects, increasing EPO/Hb Mass/efficiency, but someone cleverer than me will need to say to what extent/whether it can be stacked with altitude.

 

[hayneplane]

True, but you still have something rather than nothing to go on. Pogacar won Avenir over Thymen Arensman and Gino Mäder. Not something to predict what Tadej went on to become, but indicative of good climbing genes nonetheless.

There was also Vlasov, Almeida and Felix Gall. I think that’s pretty good for a single edition of an age group race.

 

[James M]

Tiberi and Del Toro were not at altitude before this, however for those who have been keeping their ears to the streets, Swart has been banging quite recently on about some new 'methods' they've been using, saying they are looking to eliminate the need for altitude camps, read into that what you will.

Jonas Vingegaard did not do altitude before the 2023 Vuelta, nor Pogacar before the 2024 Giro, for what it's worth. Heat training does mimic some of the effects, increasing EPO/Hb Mass/efficiency, but someone cleverer than me will need to say to what extent/whether it can be stacked with altitude.

The stuff about Remco is just cope at this point and it is wild to me that people keep running with ‘he just doesn’t bother enough’ nonsense. Hes trying his hardest to be something he inherently isnt, and I dont even blame him for trying. I just find unfathomable that we’re in year 4 still recycling the same excuses sitting in a circle singing kumbaya

 

[AmRacer]

okay i didnt check him but find it weird since he did valencia.

The stuff about Remco is just cope at this point and it is wild to me that people keep running with ‘he just doesn’t bother enough’ nonsense. Hes trying his hardest to be something he inherently isnt, and I dont even blame him for trying. I just find unfathomable that we’re in year 4 still recycling the same excuses sitting in a circle singing kumbaya

It's like Pogi trying to win MSR.

 

[Sciatic]

We are talking about road cyclists here. And he looked fat at the previous race. The pictures you saw do not tell much. Heck, there are people who think Joe Rogan is muscular and not fat.
What I am trying to say is that imho he would be a much better cyclists if he somehow finds enough discipline to lose 5 kg. And he would be both a better one day racer and GT rider

You’ll have to provide more evidence for that claim about one-days races. I mean, if Pogacar wasn’t riding he likely would have won WCs and Lombardia last year. But he’s not beating Pogacar no matter what his weight is—because no one is beating Pogacar. Remco has won LBL, WCs, and Olympic RR.

 

[Berniece]

I know Lidl, decathlon did with Seixas and Ayuso but they wasnt here. Didnt know Tiberi did? But ok ill take your word for it, admitedely I didnt check the cat killer if he did. Del Toro did no altitude camp.

Apparently I was wrong about Tiberi, really thought I read that. My bad.

Del Toro did prepare extensively for UAE Tour, not that all of it matters, Evenepoel just wasn’t good enough.

 

[chickenlips]

I assume you mean it “ain’t going to work for him” when it comes to winning GTs?

Yes. Even though he has won the Vuelta.

 

[AmRacer]

You’ll have to provide more evidence for that claim about one-days races. I mean, if Pogacar wasn’t riding he likely would have won WCs and Lombardia last year. But he’s not beating Pogacar no matter what his weight is—because no one is beating Pogacar. Remco has won LBL, WCs, and Olympic RR.

Remco is strong enough to take the chance when he sees it. He will certainly win some more big races.

 

[canina82]

You’ll have to provide more evidence for that claim about one-days races. I mean, if Pogacar wasn’t riding he likely would have won WCs and Lombardia last year. But he’s not beating Pogacar no matter what his weight is—because no one is beating Pogacar. Remco has won LBL, WCs, and Olympic RR.

It's insane to think Remco only won one race (road race) when Pogacar competed and finished the race (2022 WC). The other 3 times were CSS 2x and LBL. In CSS, Pogacar was just bad meanwhile it's very hard to believe Remco would beat Pogacar in LBL specially when it was pouring that day.

 

[AmRacer]

It's insane to think Remco only won one race (road race) when Pogacar competed and finished the race (2022 WC). The other 3 times were CSS 2x and LBL. In CSS, Pogacar was just bad meanwhile it's very hard to believe Remco would beat Pogacar in LBL specially when it was pouring that day.

And no GC. Remco hasn't raced Mathieu on his domains either.

 

[Sciatic]

It's insane to think Remco only won one race (road race) when Pogacar competed and finished the race (2022 WC). The other 3 times were CSS 2x and LBL. In CSS, Pogacar was just bad meanwhile it's very hard to believe Remco would beat Pogacar in LBL specially when it was pouring that day.

I agree--but that's why it seems like it's a moot point what his weight is for those one-day races because he isn't beating Pogacar regardless.

 

[Extinction]

They run 20-30 km daily mostly in fat burning zones. Anyway, we saw how light Remco was in the summer 2024: it resulted in Tour podium and two golds.

Sure, but anltitude AND 60 kg should be much more indicative. I mean 60 kg is a world of difference.