Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[jmdirt]

Nah, Armstrong transformed at 27 after cancer, Froome at the same age after Belzebù 😂

Having treatments for cancer will certainly transform your body, but obviously its not the ideal way to do it. I don't feel like CF 'transformed' his body comp. He definitely refined it (flat worms or not), but he was never a 'thick' guy. Of course we can debate the definition of transform, but 10%* isn't a transformation IMO.

The sooner after puberty you establish a body comp., the easier it is to maintain and perform at that body comp. RE is a ways out now, and I don't really think that he wants to change (too much) moving forward. Could he still change his body comp 10%? With the science and money supporting him of course he could.

I'll type again though, he's great cyclist as is.

* I don't have his data so I don't know how much was body fat and how much was muscle.

 

[theyoungest]

Apparently Evenepoel wasn’t even able to take off his own clothes after the crash on Wednesday. And what some people are going to love to hear too is that based on the numbers he was pushing on the Teide they expected him to be able to follow Vingegaard.

“Ik kon hard rijden, maar niet over mijn limiet gaan”: waarom Remco Evenepoel zich spontaan opofferde en in zijn eentje Florian Lipowitz op het podium hielp

En op dag zes van de Ronde van Catalonië... speelde <a href="https://www.hln.be/dossier/remco-evenepoel~d778b588c-e8d5-4568-bd82-bef6ca4a745d/" target="_blank">Remco Evenepoel</a> (26) plots superknecht voor Florian Lipowitz (25). Belangeloos offerde hij zichzelf op. En tegelijk ook een...

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It's bad enough that his entire environment seems to consists of fanboys and sycophants (and this includes the Flemish press) but they also seem to have little respect for their opponent. "He could have followed Vingegaard yesterday, we could have beaten Vingegaard today"... but you didn't, and you couldn't. Now shut your mouth and do better next time.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Apparently Evenepoel wasn’t even able to take off his own clothes after the crash on Wednesday. And what some people are going to love to hear too is that based on the numbers he was pushing on the Teide they expected him to be able to follow Vingegaard.

“Ik kon hard rijden, maar niet over mijn limiet gaan”: waarom Remco Evenepoel zich spontaan opofferde en in zijn eentje Florian Lipowitz op het podium hielp

En op dag zes van de Ronde van Catalonië... speelde <a href="https://www.hln.be/dossier/remco-evenepoel~d778b588c-e8d5-4568-bd82-bef6ca4a745d/" target="_blank">Remco Evenepoel</a> (26) plots superknecht voor Florian Lipowitz (25). Belangeloos offerde hij zichzelf op. En tegelijk ook een...

www.hln.be

Will need to see it first. For now he was respectable with a crash. But it's always guesswork how much a crash influences. It's clear it wasn't a slide. But he also did not look completely banged up. It's nice to know his teide numbers were good. Long may the training numbers and training be good. And may that result in wins in the field both sooner and later.

It's bad enough that his entire environment seems to consists of fanboys and sycophants (and this includes the Flemish press) but they also seem to have little respect for their opponent. "He could have followed Vingegaard yesterday, we could have beaten Vingegaard today"... but you didn't, and you couldn't. Now shut your mouth and do better next time.

That wasn't remco saying it though this time around. a minor difference.

 

[theyoungest]

That wasn't remco saying it though this time around. a minor difference.

No, it was Klaas Lodewyck, the tactical genius behind all of the Remco shenanigans.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Remco Evenepoel has to be the highest paid domestique of all time.

 

[Red Rick]

The one thing I'll admit is really impressive is basically his steady state work on the rolling section between the climbs.

I don't think he emptied the tank working for Lipowitz, but the fact that he didn't need to and could do a pretty strong final climb.

 

[Oldman]

Agreed. I'd say Remco deserves an 8 out of 10 today, 9 even for being a selfless teammate. You don't climb like that and lack climbing qualities (the second climb was particularly brutal, 15-17-18-19-20% in the last 5 km). He then took over on the descent (putting several in trouble, who'd have thought?), then pulled until half way up the finish ascent mostly himself. If he and Bora are thinking performance and long game, then keep plodding away, stay focused and enjoy being a pro cyclist with a huge engine. Race hard, have fun and worry about nothing else.

Having some fun and camaraderie could give him the motivation to do the hard work.

 

[Extinction]

Having treatments for cancer will certainly transform your body, but obviously its not the ideal way to do it. I don't feel like CF 'transformed' his body comp. He definitely refined it (flat worms or not), but he was never a 'thick' guy. Of course we can debate the definition of transform, but 10%* isn't a transformation IMO.

The sooner after puberty you establish a body comp., the easier it is to maintain and perform at that body comp. RE is a ways out now, and I don't really think that he wants to change (too much) moving forward. Could he still change his body comp 10%? With the science and money supporting him of course he could.

I'll type again though, he's great cyclist as is.

* I don't have his data so I don't know how much was body fat and how much was muscle.

Well Froome went from baguette delivery boy, who held onto a team car (with Sean Yeats driving) to get over the Mortirolo, to "Skeletor," so I guess anything is possible.😂

Froome disqualified from 2010 Giro d'Italia

British rider sent home after holding on to motorbike during stage 19, fined £120

www.cyclingweekly.com

File:Tour de France 2013, froome (14889667653).jpg - Wikimedia Commons

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[Extinction]

Having some fun and camaraderie could give him the motivation to do the hard work.

Yea, do the hard work, as in squeezed like a lemon 🍋, which is the right color too. See Froome's transformation above.

 

[dobrien]

I mostly agree with this, but I’d send him to MSR and RVV a few times before writing him off in those. It took Pogacar 6 tries tho, so he might need to be patient. I think IL is certainly feasibly too. And surely he can win a one-week stage race at some point, right? That is the most baffling (and perhaps telling) of all. Pogacar, Vingegaard, and previously Roglic cleaned up in the big 7 one weeks; they also consistently perform in GTs.

I agree, I 100% dont think it hurts to have him ride those races, not at all, and as a matter of fact think at 26 he should have already had at least 1 appearance in both of those. I think he definitely should, and soon. I don’t know that I’d call my point of view “writing him off” if say RVV, I’m more just stating the point that those races absolutely demand great bike handling and positioning, something which Remco simply has not demonstrated to date in my view. I definitely mentioned Lombardia if a flying Pog isn’t there.

I cannot stress how much I want to be wrong about this btw, he is one of my favorite riders; I’m just seeing what I’m seeing, is all. If he proves me wrong I’ll be first back to this thread basking in my wrongness while at the same time being happy as hell. 😜

 

[dobrien]

One could wonder what remco career would have been like had he joined a GT focused team, and developed his body differently. Kinda pointless but one could do it.

I don’t think that would have helped honestly; he could ride GTs from now until the cows come home but he’s never going to look Jonas.

 

[Unchained]

Bizarre point on any and every graph.. Where Armstrong was at 27..He is either a reference or he is not, wrong forum to allow the comparison.

 

[houtdffan]

looking at the route for Pais Vasco, I really do not understand why Remco is also not doing that race if he does not ride Flanders

 

[Unchained]

Remco is a great one day racer even if he doesn't know it

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Remco is a great one day racer even if he doesn't know it

As he's won Olympics, Worlds, LBL and a total of 15 one day races, I think he has a slight idea that he might be good at it.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The one thing I'll admit is really impressive is basically his steady state work on the rolling section between the climbs.

I don't think he emptied the tank working for Lipowitz, but the fact that he didn't need to and could do a pretty strong final climb.

He's BulletMan after all, the most aero-efficient guy ever. He definitely didn't empty himself and had something left for the final climb. Performance wise he was on a similar level to Vingegaard, who admittedly wasn't as good and dominant vs the competition as the other day.