Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Savant12]

Without Jonas in the race he would have gone solo and won today.

And that's Remco's predicament. As a GC rider, he is not as good as Vingo (and Pog). He also loses his head, too often.

 

[AmRacer]

Sure, that would have made life easier, but that won't change that in theory that group was good to go if they had worked together. They chose not to.

Happens the best quite often, as they say.

 

[KoopaCycling]

And that's Remco's predicament. As a GC rider, he is not as good as Vingo (and Pog). He also loses his head, too often.

I always think it strange how people work with Pogacar but rarely with remco when they have a better chance against remco. They betting on remco bullish ways to get the better of him , and his personality probably rubs people the wrong way. I understand. But it was clear to me pogacar would ride no matter what in sanremo, and remco today would not with Jonas still there. I know people will disagree with me, and have opposite opinions about that last sentence. But that is what my intuition told me. Posted both things even during the actual races.That Pogacar would ride in sanremo, and remco would not today in catalunya. Everyone is free to think me wrong. Or disagree with the tactics i would apply from said intuition.

 

[AmRacer]

I always think it strange how people work with Pogacar but rarely with remco when they have a better chance against remco. They betting on remco bullish ways to get the better of him , and his personality probably rubs people the wrong way. I understand. But it was clear to me pogacar would ride no matter what in sanremo, and remco today would not with Jonas still there. I know people will disagree with me, and have opposite opinions about that last sentence. But that is what my intuition told me. Posted both things even during the actual races.That Pogacar would ride in sanremo, and remco would not today in catalunya. Everyone is free to think me wrong. Or disagree with the tactics i would apply from said intuition.

Jonas only protected his GC and didn't care about the stage win. In MSR, Pogi wanted to win and Pidcock worked so he would have a shot to win.

Remco must drop everyone to win, as he has done multiple times.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Jonas only protected his GC and didn't care about the stage win. In MSR, Pogi wanted to win and Pidcock worked so he would have a shot to win.

Remco must drop everyone to win, as he has done multiple times.

Sure sure.
Jonas did not need to work, but could have, same for the others. They others not named Jonas hoped remco would do the heavy lifting. Else why even ride away from the peloton if you ain't trying to win. They thought remco would ride alone. Or more precise hoped remco would ride alone so they could attack him once he was tired. probably not thinking they could beat him straight up. And chose to bet on him working alone and stay ahead of the peloton that way. he(remco) did not. Meawhile Pidcock did not believe Pogacar would keep them from the clutches of the peloton and worked to stay away. I believe Pogacar would have ridden. We stand on opposite ends regarding Pogacar and pidcock and ever will remain so. I do not think we disagree today on Jonas and remco & the others. Just talking next to each other. except that I do not believe remco needed to drop everyone today. just the right people. Which he did in the penultimate round. Had that group worked, Remco has good chances from that sprint. more than he had versus the remaining peloton.

 

[AmRacer]

Sure sure.
Jonas did not need to work, but could have, same for the others. They others not named Jonas hoped remco would do the heavy lifting. Else why even ride away from the peloton if you ain't trying to win. They thought remco would ride alone. Or more precise hoped remco would ride alone so they could attack him once he was tired. probably not thinking they could beat him straight up. And chose to bet on him working alone and stay ahead of the peloton that way. he(remco) did not. Meawhile Pidcock did not believe Pogacar would keep them from the clutches of the peloton and worked to stay away. I believe Pogacar would have ridden. We stand on opposite ends regarding Pogacar and pidcock and ever will remain so. I do not think we disagree today on Jonas and remco. Just talking next to each other.

Yes, we both agree that Jonas had zero incentive to work.

Others not named Jonas didn't work because they didn't want getting dropped by Remco with Jonas on the wheel.

And Pidcock just followed the best available strategy, without gambling away at least a podium and a shot to win.

This is why the races unfolded just like they did.
Cycling dynamics.

I thought Remco would win today, but apparently he wasn't allowed to go crazy risking Lipowitz podium.

 

[Ulle97]

Nice of him to help Lipo get podium like this. “With his big ego”. Could’ve easily sprinted for second place without all that work.

Looking forward to see him win tomorrow

I was looking forward to see him win too but it didn't happen. He didn't seem to be able to distance his rivals.

Are you disappointed with 3rd?

 

[AmRacer]

Sure sure.
Jonas did not need to work, but could have, same for the others. They others not named Jonas hoped remco would do the heavy lifting. Else why even ride away from the peloton if you ain't trying to win. They thought remco would ride alone. Or more precise hoped remco would ride alone so they could attack him once he was tired. probably not thinking they could beat him straight up. And chose to bet on him working alone and stay ahead of the peloton that way. he(remco) did not. Meawhile Pidcock did not believe Pogacar would keep them from the clutches of the peloton and worked to stay away. I believe Pogacar would have ridden. We stand on opposite ends regarding Pogacar and pidcock and ever will remain so. I do not think we disagree today on Jonas and remco & the others. Just talking next to each other. except that I do not believe remco needed to drop everyone today. just the right people. Which he did in the penultimate round. Had that group worked, Remco has good chances from that sprint. more than he had versus the remaining peloton.

Most of Pogi's and Remco's wins are a long solo. Last year, in Amstel, Remco got some help, sort of, chasing Pogi. Also a rider maximising his chances to win and secure a podium.

 

[AmRacer]

Nice of him to help Lipo get podium like this. “With his big ego”. Could’ve easily sprinted for second place without all that work.

Looking forward to see him win tomorrow

It would have been a different race without all Remco work.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Most of Pogi's and Remco's wins are a long solo. Last year, in Amstel, Remco got some help, sort of, chasing Pogi. Also a rider maximising his chances to win and secure a podium.

This is true. every situation is different. And Skjelmose played it perfect. helping Remco whilst also making remco do most of the work. Best sprint position,, ... In Amstel we come to the same assesment. to a certain extent we agree today. Not fully today, but almost.

 

[saunaking]

And that's Remco's predicament. As a GC rider, he is not as good as Vingo (and Pog). He also loses his head, too often.

I dont even know if he's as good as Vine, nevermind the aliens

 

[Berniece]

Wasn’t able to see any race today. Did see an interview where he said he isn’t riding Flanders or Roubaix

 

[KoopaCycling]

Wasn’t able to see any race today. Did see an interview where he said he isn’t riding Flanders or Roubaix

Was quietly hoping for Flanders. Maybe if he had not crashed. But probably he would never have ridden it this year anyways and it was just wishful thinking.

 

[Berniece]

Was quietly hoping for Flanders. Maybe if he had not crashed. But probably he would never have ridden it this year anyways and it was just wishful thinking.

The crash definitely didn’t help. Now doing no racing for 3 weeks in Spain is boring though

 

[KoopaCycling]

The crash definitely didn’t help. Now doing no racing for 3 weeks in Spain is boring though

But maybe better for a result in Amstel. Del Toro, Skjelmose, and remco main favourites i would think there.
Healey and Van Wilder as dark horses

 

[Berniece]

But maybe better for a result in Amstel. Del Toro, Skjelmose, and remco main favourites i would think there.
Healey and Van Wilder as dark horses

In this form I can only see Pogacar win from him in AGR

 

[KoopaCycling]

In this form I can only see Pogacar win from him in AGR

Really? I would not put remco in a league of his own after Pogacar this year (i mean for ardennes)
He's season trajectory is okay (aside from uae blip) and he'll be competitive. But i don't see him as unbeatable but for Pogacar in AGR.

 

[Salvarani]

In this form I can only see Pogacar win from him in AGR

With his sprint, attack on the flat and the look yesterday/today... I dont think anyone else can beat him in AGR either.

AGR is quite tailor-made for his strengths.

 

[AmRacer]

Really? I would not put remco in a league of his own after Pogacar this year (i mean for ardennes)
He's season trajectory is okay (aside from uae blip) and he'll be competitive. But i don't see him as unbeatable but for Pogacar in AGR.

Last autumn, WC, Lombardia and EC, he was second dropping every other rider. He could do that in Amstel too.

 

[jmdirt]

Bizarre point on any and every graph.. Where Armstrong was at 27..He is either a reference or he is not, wrong forum to allow the comparison.

He's not a reference because most riders don't use chemo to change their body comp. For the record I believe that he was 25 when he was diagnosed.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Last autumn, WC, Lombardia and EC, he was second dropping every other rider. He could do that in Amstel too.

Lol, feels weird to be the one going against remco. But i think Del Toro if still in form will be a formidable opponent. Maybe Skjelmose is riding into form as well. Less certain of that. if he can't shake Del Toro i would need to see the sprint.
Don't get me wrong. he'll be in the mix for the win. I just am not pencilling him in, the way i am pencilling in Pogacar for the monuments. I think only bad luck can stop pogacar from winning all 5 this year.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Last autumn, WC, Lombardia and EC, he was second dropping every other rider. He could do that in Amstel too.

It's true. He would've cleaned those races easily without Pogacar. Without any more setbacks he should be strong in Ardennes.

 

[peterfin]

AGR is much more suited for him simply because it's a 250km race. As good as he was today, a 95km race is not where he can really distance himself from most of the peleton. These races are just too short.

 

[jmdirt]

That was good work for RE. Hard ride, positioning in the pack when its going fast, sprint practice...

 

[canina82]

He is the clear favorite for AGR. I would be shocked if he doesn't win there.