Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Rou]

When someone starts repeating and believing their own lies I get triggered. Spencer Martin keeps repeating the lie that Remco now is pushing higher numbers than his Vuelta victory and still can't compete which is BS.
The only time when Remco was a better climber than the 2022 Vuelta was the 2024 TDF and back then he was a top 3 climber in the world.
The postman crash really took something off him.

 

[dobrien]

When someone starts repeating and believing their own lies I get triggered. Spencer Martin keeps repeating the lie that Remco now is pushing higher numbers than his Vuelta victory and still can't compete which is BS.
The only time when Remco was a better climber than the 2022 Vuelta was the 2024 TDF and back then he was a top 3 climber in the world.
The postman crash really took something off him.

Unfortunately it sure seems that way.

 

[Unchained]

He's not a reference because most riders don't use chemo to change their body comp. For the record I believe that he was 25 when he was diagnosed.

His entire record has been dismissed, not pre 25 and everything after.

On Remco he rode an excellent race, another day of great individual output and he was there for Lipowitz, sort of ironic that Remco is down on GC, Lipowitz shooting for a podium couldn't keep his wheel! Lol..When Remco wound it up he just dropped people, guy is really fast. He also leaves destruction in his wake and he looks, cool, calm, can do it all day as he goes off the front.. I really love the guy!

 

[Unchained]

When someone starts repeating and believing their own lies I get triggered. Spencer Martin keeps repeating the lie that Remco now is pushing higher numbers than his Vuelta victory and still can't compete which is BS.
The only time when Remco was a better climber than the 2022 Vuelta was the 2024 TDF and back then he was a top 3 climber in the world.
The postman crash really took something off him.

You should take things in perspective, with a grain of salt so to speak.
Spencer Martin has the job because he specializes in data research, not racing bikes.
Armstrong and Hindcappie can't be bothered to do their own podcast because of self importance and something better to do. You see and hear Spencer because he doesn't have anything better to do.
I guess I am curious why you are dismissive of the overall trend, Remco included to have better, higher numbers than 2022.
I certainly don't know, don't know what Martin specifically was talking about, when or where he got numbers to compare, but an overall opinion is that people are faster now than 2022..
The duo of Johan and Spencer, JB plays the elder knowledgeable statesman while Spencer plays the data nerd, with excellent effect of reading cycling data sites while making it appear that he is reciting Remco 2022 numbers from memory.. It's a skill I guess.

 

[vappa]

When someone starts repeating and believing their own lies I get triggered. Spencer Martin keeps repeating the lie that Remco now is pushing higher numbers than his Vuelta victory and still can't compete which is BS.
The only time when Remco was a better climber than the 2022 Vuelta was the 2024 TDF and back then he was a top 3 climber in the world.
The postman crash really took something off him.

Spencer is somewhat delusional. He also thinks that because Del Toro won a bunch or lower level races in Italy last year, he can compete against Jonas in the Giro

 

[Oldman]

His entire record has been dismissed, not pre 25 and everything after.

On Remco he rode an excellent race, another day of great individual output and he was there for Lipowitz, sort of ironic that Remco is down on GC, Lipowitz shooting for a podium couldn't keep his wheel! Lol..When Remco wound it up he just dropped people, guy is really fast. He also leaves destruction in his wake and he looks, cool, calm, can do it all day as he goes off the front.. I really love the guy!

He showed the strength on this short stage. The Giro will tell it progress is being made as long as he keeps his cool. Impressive finish with only one critique: he still drifts too far back in the early climb to maximize his impact when he attacks. Everyone knows he's coming and he could risk becoming predictable. It's a minor point today but becomes bigger on longer climbs. You can't allow Jonas to do a seated spin to cover your attack. TP is a whole different problem.

 

[KoopaCycling]

He showed the strength on this short stage. The Giro will tell it progress is being made as long as he keeps his cool. Impressive finish with only one critique: he still drifts too far back in the early climb to maximize his impact when he attacks. Everyone knows he's coming and he could risk becoming predictable. It's a minor point today but becomes bigger on longer climbs. You can't allow Jonas to do a seated spin to cover your attack. TP is a whole different problem.

The Giro? You know something we don't?

 

[Berniece]

Really? I would not put remco in a league of his own after Pogacar this year (i mean for ardennes)
He's season trajectory is okay (aside from uae blip) and he'll be competitive. But i don't see him as unbeatable but for Pogacar in AGR.

I think his form will be very similar to UEC RR and WC RR.

 

[KoopaCycling]

I think his form will be very similar to UEC RR and WC RR.

Maybe. I just have it in my mind they are going for a slow burn. a build up to the Tour where Remco should be at his very best. Competetive before that yes, but not for trying to hit a major peak.

 

[Extinction]

The Giro? You know something we don't?

That is what he should be doing, then Tour. Would be great, also a huge taking the pressure off his shoulders before the Tour. Liege, then Giro, then Tour. And do the Giro as co-leader with Hindley. Just do it for fun. But bust your ass off at altitude before and after Liege. Then have a beer between Giro and Tour. The money they invested in him will be best spent if he races care-free. His motor will respond.😉

 

[SHAD0W93]

I dont even know if he's as good as Vine, nevermind the aliens

Are we talking GTs or week stage races?

 

[Berniece]

Maybe. I just have it in my mind they are going for a slow burn. a build up to the Tour where Remco should be at his very best. Competetive before that yes, but not for trying to hit a major peak.

RBH said in the beginning of the year that they wanted to win a monument. I think he peaks hard at LBL.

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

2024 TDF and back then he was a top 3 climber in the world.

There's no way he could have been anywhere near Roglic's level in 2024.

 

[KoopaCycling]

There's no way he could have been anywhere near Roglic's level in 2024.

I guess we watched a different Tour back then

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

I guess we watched a different Tour back then

Maybe yes, in your version, at which point did Remco outclimb Roglic?

 

[KoopaCycling]

Maybe yes, in your version, at which point did Remco outclimb Roglic?

Stage 4 remco was better, stage 11 roglic went too hard and blew himself up whilst remco paced himself better. hard to tell which was better overall but i'd say advantage Remco. Roglic crashed out a few stages later. Overall it looked like remco was just a teeny bit stronger than Roglic in that Tour to me. You can debate which would have been stronger once the Tour went into the third week, but at the very least he was near to Roglic his level during the time before Roglic crashed out.

Given that your claim was that there's no way he was anywhere near Roglic his level in 2024, you are proven wrong by the results. You must be aware of how wrong your inital and easily debunked claim was, and you now have moved goalposts from nowhere near his level to at which point did he outclimb Roglic.

 

[AmRacer]

Stage 4 remco was better, stage 11 roglic went too hard and blew himself up whilst remco paced himself better. hard to tell which was better overall but i'd say advantage Remco. Roglic crashed out a few stages later. Overall it looked like remco was just a teeny bit stronger than Roglic in that Tour to me. You can debate which would have been stronger once the Tour went into the third week, but at the very least he was near to Roglic his level during the time before Roglic crashed out.

Given that your claim was that there's no way he was anywhere near Roglic his level in 2024, you are proven wrong by the results. You must be aware of how wrong your inital and easily debunked claim was, and you now have moved goalposts from nowhere near his level to at which point did he outclimb Roglic.

I think we must ask @CyclistAbi who was the best.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Stage 4 remco was better, stage 11 roglic went too hard and blew himself up whilst remco paced himself better. hard to tell which was better overall but i'd say advantage Remco. Roglic crashed out a few stages later. Overall it looked like remco was just a teeny bit stronger than Roglic in that Tour to me. You can debate which would have been stronger once the Tour went into the third week, but at the very least he was near to Roglic his level during the time before Roglic crashed out.

Given that your claim was that there's no way he was anywhere near Roglic his level in 2024, you are proven wrong by the results. You must be aware of how wrong your inital and easily debunked claim was, and you now have moved goalposts from nowhere near his level to at which point did he outclimb Roglic.

Yeah Roglic looked better in the spring before the big Itzulia crash that got 3 of the big 4. Tour was inconclusive and while I think Roglic was rounding into form and would have outperformed Remco later, based on what we saw, advantage Remco. Rog was great in the Vuelta but I think they were clearly in the 3-4 level together behind the top two and clear of the 5+ riders.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think we must ask @CyclistAbi who was the best.

Our dear Abi will tell you that Rogla would've won that Tour against Pogacar. Remco isn't even in the conversation.

 

[Unchained]

Maybe. I just have it in my mind they are going for a slow burn. a build up to the Tour where Remco should be at his very best. Competetive before that yes, but not for trying to hit a major peak.

Remco can physically be at his life long peak. The guy showed today that if he wants to drop you on rolling terrain he can do it, he showed today multiple times he can toast the legs off of @97% of other riders.
Remco showed that sucking is relative, a bad race for him is being able to beat everyone accept for elite climbers, who constantly have him ending his campaign with colossal consternation.
Remco's memory of constant humiliation will not be erased when he gets to a grand tour, instead he will see backs of the most talented climbers going up the road and his disappointment will rush over him.
He needs some positive feedback, positive, affirming racing experience were he is shoulder to shoulder with Pogacar, Vingegaard, Del Toro, Seixas, Ayuso, and half dozen other outstanding climbers. So far it's all theoretical preparation, no meat, not much real.
I am obviously in the minority that believe that showing up and getting beat is far worse, super damaging and harmful than not attending the race.
Half glass full people will list some positive things Remco can take away, while still losing the race. I get it, I completely disagree, but I get why people don't want to chalk it up to learning experience, after all he did beat a hundred and something other racers, still can't touch the guys who were untouchable to him before the race.

 

[Oldman]

The Giro? You know something we don't?

Dauphine. Sorry. It'll give him the French flavor.

 

[Brullnux]

AGR is much more suited for him simply because it's a 250km race. As good as he was today, a 95km race is not where he can really distance himself from most of the peleton. These races are just too short.

Conversely it's also the sort of distance where Del Toro loses a bit of punch

 

[TheKidsCallMeBoss]

Stage 4 remco was better, stage 11 roglic went too hard and blew himself up whilst remco paced himself better. hard to tell which was better overall but i'd say advantage Remco. Roglic crashed out a few stages later. Overall it looked like remco was just a teeny bit stronger than Roglic in that Tour to me. You can debate which would have been stronger once the Tour went into the third week, but at the very least he was near to Roglic his level during the time before Roglic crashed out.

Given that your claim was that there's no way he was anywhere near Roglic his level in 2024, you are proven wrong by the results. You must be aware of how wrong your inital and easily debunked claim was, and you now have moved goalposts from nowhere near his level to at which point did he outclimb Roglic.

So, in your version, Remco was a little better than Roglic during the first two weeks of the Tour. Fine. As for the third week's debate, one guy's record in GT races speaks for itself compared to the other's.

I was pleasantly surprised by Remco Tour’s performance. Although the circumstances certainly worked in his favor. After Roglic’s DNF, there was no battle for third place; his own teammate and two of Pog’s teammates were behind him. The gap to first place was also very flattering for him, as Vingegaard barely got ready for the race after his crash, which meant there wasn’t a real battle for first place either.

Anyway. You claimed that Remco was the third-best climber in 2024. However, what you are trying to prove is that he was roughly on the same level as Roglic over two weeks in 2024.

Looking at the results from 2024, it's clear that Roglic was far ahead of Remco. He crushed him in the Dauphiné, winning two tough mountain stages in a row. Remco literally didn't win a single stage in 2024 that was a mountain finish. You claim that the results prove me wrong, but then tell me which result proves that Remco was the third-best climber in 2024?

 

[CyclistAbi]

I think we must ask @CyclistAbi who was the best.

Primož Roglič.

P.S. Just look in the table you maintain.

 

[Jan the Man]

RBH said in the beginning of the year that they wanted to win a monument. I think he peaks hard at LBL.

Agree - think he looks good for Amstel and LBL. I expect him to win Amstel. Unless Del Torro suddenly takes a leap and can show a performance in a 250km plus race (doubtful) I can’t really see anyone who can hang with him.

LBL will be a different matter of course with Pog present. He should regardless be the second favourite but will need to be in top shape to hang with Pog.