The revenge of Rasmussen ...

[Puckfiend]

http://tourdejose.com/2013/01/26/my...-past-but-not-at-the-expense-of-the-future-2/

 

[Leonardus]

What I don't get, how can it be that suddenly only LL has been linked to a codename (Huerta) in the Puerto case and is now in the media. But that none of the other approximately 150 athletes that were involved has been linked to code names, and can still continue their careers. It's strange only his name turns up now.

It looks like Dutch media are seriously trying to demolish Dutch cycling with all their doping investigations. This won't exactly help Blanco with finding a new sponsor and Vacancesoleil also isn't sure yet for next year.

 

[theyoungest]

What I don't get, how can it be that suddenly only LL has been linked to a codename (Huerta) in the Puerto case and is now in the media. But that none of the other approximately 150 athletes that were involved has been linked to code names, and can still continue their careers. It's strange only his name turns up now.

It looks like Dutch media are seriously trying to demolish Dutch cycling with all their doping investigations. This won't exactly help Blanco with finding a new sponsor and Vacancesoleil also isn't sure yet for next year.

The media aren't interested in the truth, they're interested in viewer numbers. Doping is more interesting than actual cycling for most Dutchies, apparently. I mean, that guy at the Volkskrant, he hardly ever writes about actual races. Just doping.

 

[staubsauger]

He does, they do like him, but now they fear for their jobs.

Case in point: Slagter wins WT race, but the Dutch media don't care. It's the Luis Leon story they're carrying.

Well, he won the TDU to be fair. It's still a nearly countless race. Early preparation nothing more.

 

[JRanton]

What I don't get, how can it be that suddenly only LL has been linked to a codename (Huerta) in the Puerto case and is now in the media. But that none of the other approximately 150 athletes that were involved has been linked to code names, and can still continue their careers. It's strange only his name turns up now.

It looks like Dutch media are seriously trying to demolish Dutch cycling with all their doping investigations. This won't exactly help Blanco with finding a new sponsor and Vacancesoleil also isn't sure yet for next year.

So everything should just be brushed under the carpet so Blanco can get a new sponsor?

It's about bloody time the Dutch media started asking questions!

 

[hrotha]

LLS was identified as (or rather, rumored to be, considering the extent of the cover-up) "Huerta" long ago. This is from 2007:
http://ciclismo2005.blogspot.com.es/2007/05/26-huerta-otro-de-la-operacin.html

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Indeed, that's why he finishes dead last in the San Sebastian Classic and is absolutely a non-factor in mid-mountain stages.

Really Ryo, try at least to match your posts with the evidence, okay?

Or are you going for the fantastic explanation that only in 2010 he was involved with Puerto (which was 2006, but let's not try to make it to hard to spin it).

san sebastian is a climbers race? lol

just look at his results in any mountainstage in past few years or mountain itt. downright patehtic, romandie last year as bext example

 

[Franklin]

san sebastian is a climbers race? lol

Yes it is. Ever wondered why Tom Boonen never won it? You might check the course

I'lll quote something from LL's San Sebastian win:

Today he showed his class as a rider, tentatively following the attacks on the day’s four climbs before going it alone.

It's bloody amazing for "a rider that can't climb for the life of him."

And this is the profile for his TdF stage win:

Now the million dollar question here is... why did the organisation of the TdF allow LL to skip those two bumps to win this stage?

In 2011 it's even stranger:

How did this guy who can't climb for the life of him manages to win that one?

just look at his results in any mountainstage in past few years or mountain itt. downright patehtic, romandie last year as bext example

I did just that didn't I? You are a funny guy Ryo

 

[theyoungest]

So everything should just be brushed under the carpet so Blanco can get a new sponsor?

It's about bloody time the Dutch media started asking questions!

The Dutch media have been asking questions for years. Boogerd, Rasmussen, Dekker, Vienna, they appeared regularly in the papers. But right now they've just sunk into doping hysteria, it has nothing to do anymore with trying to get to the truth. Just sensationalism.

Holland is the new Germany.

 

[Forunculo]

In 2011 it's even stranger:

How did this guy who can't climb for the life of him manages to win that one?




I did just that didn't I? You are a funny guy Ryo

Luz Ardiden, Tour 2011?

That was Samuel Sanchez

 

[Franklin]

Luz Ardiden, Tour 2011?

That was Samuel Sanchez

Now that's embarrasing!

Corrected!

 

[del1962]

Yes it is. Ever wondered why Tom Boonen never won it? You might check the course

I'lll quote something from LL's San Sebastian win:



It's bloody amazing for "a rider that can't climb for the life of him."

And this is the profile for his TdF stage win:

Now the million dollar question here is... why did the organisation of the TdF allow LL to skip those two bumps to win this stage?

In 2011 it's even stranger:

How did this guy who can't climb for the life of him manages to win that one?




I did just that didn't I? You are a funny guy Ryo

LL 2012 win was in a break given a lot of time by the Pelaton, Peter Sagan as also in the break

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The Dutch media have been asking questions for years. Boogerd, Rasmussen, Dekker, Vienna, they appeared regularly in the papers. But right now they've just sunk into doping hysteria, it has nothing to do anymore with trying to get to the truth. Just sensationalism.

Holland is the new Germany.

You are so wrong. Dutch media never asked questions, they asked, got ''no'' for an answer and moved on. No Paul Kimmage/Walsh here, you should know that.

 

[Franklin]

LL 2012 win was in a break given a lot of time by the Pelaton, Peter Sagan as also in the break

Does that equal: "Could not climb if his life depended on it"?

If that's true LL simply is the most lucky guy ever considering he only wins races on courses which are absolutely not suited to his strengths.

Or perhaps he's a pretty good climber, just not GT contender level

 

[hrotha]

It was hyperbole. While LLS can still climb decently, he's far from his pre-Rabo level. And that includes the ITTs. He's become a stage-hunter, when at Caisse he'd be winning one-week races and being top 10 in the GTs.

 

[Franklin]

You are so wrong. Dutch media never asked questions, they asked, got ''no'' for an answer and moved on. No Paul Kimmage/Walsh here, you should know that.

Indeed. Keep in mind that the truth was openly thrown into the public domain after the MR case. Neither the union nor the press did anything with it.

Some papers published some grumbling articles.. and then immediately moved on.

 

[del1962]

Does that equal: "Could not climb if his life depended on it"?

If that's true LL simply is the most lucky guy ever considering he only wins races on courses which are absolutely not suited to his strengths.

Or perhaps he's a pretty good climber, just not GT contender level

If you compare Cav to the Lion King then Cav looks a good climber

 

[Franklin]

It was hyperbole. While LLS can still climb decently, he's far from his pre-Rabo level. And that includes the ITTs. He's become a stage-hunter, when at Caisse he'd be winning one-week races and being top 10 in the GTs.

He had a double top 10 in 2010, but before that he was nowhere near. He won P-N in 2009, but that year he was blown away in the GT's.

I'm not seeing a huge transformation. Keep in mind that he isn't the card that's played in stage races (Gesink, Mollema, etc.).

 

[Franklin]

If you compare Cav to the Lion King then Cav looks a good climber

If Cav starts to win mountain stages we have a discussion. LL never won a flat stage in the TdF. He also is a double winner of San Sebastian.

 

[theyoungest]

I'm not seeing a huge transformation. Keep in mind that he isn't the card that's played in stage races (Gesink, Mollema, etc.).

That is nonsense. He started as leader in Paris-Nice, Romandie, Castilla y Leon, etc.

Indeed. Keep in mind that the truth was openly thrown into the public domain after the MR case. Neither the union nor the press did anything with it.

Some papers published some grumbling articles.. and then immediately moved on.

Maybe as a reader of the Volkskrant I'm a bit prejudiced but I've been reading about the Vienna case for years in that paper. And what truth was out in the public domain, exactly? Systematic doping? Definitely not.

 

[Franklin]

That is nonsense. He started as leader in Paris-Nice, Romandie, Castilla y Leon, etc.

One of the points were his GT performances.

Maybe as a reader of the Volkskrant I'm a bit prejudiced but I've been reading about the Vienna case for years in that paper.

And did they ask for the head of the MT? No.

And what truth was out in the public domain, exactly? Systematic doping? Definitely not.

Not much, only that the Management Team (Breukink, de Rooij and Leinders) were actively involved in whereabouts fraud. Of course the sources were not to be trusted. It was a published internal report and something as inconsequential as the outcome of the MR versus Rabo case

Definitely not enough reason to act at all... whereabouts fraud... pfff. Internal report... meh. Court decision... pshhhh.

Well, kidding aside, there was plenty of reason to burn Rabo to the ground in 2007. Both the union and the Media decided against it. Amazing but it happened.

 

[sniper]

...
Well, kidding aside, there was plenty of reason to burn Rabo to the ground in 2007. Both the union and the Media decided against it. Amazing but it happened.

well, we've seen Spain killing Puerto.

Germany recently killing a state-funded investigation into doping at the national level, as soon as results started leaking into the press.

I assume the reason why we've heard about Balco and USPS is because of the sheer size of the US. Lance and Marion are insignificant footnotes on a national scale.
In Spain and the Netherlands, my guess is such scandals are perceived as potentially threatening for the state's economy, prestige, etc.

 

[Lanark]

Grischa Niermann has admitted he used EPO between 2000 and 2003, he'll give a more complete confession to the anti-doping authorities. He'll be suspended for 6 months from februari 15.

 

[theyoungest]

Hm, if I had to pick one rider who might have been clean during those years, it would have been Niermann. But oh well, at least he's honest.

 

[Ferminal]

But he's probably one of the few you'd actually believe stopped doping when he says he did.