The revenge of Rasmussen ...

[ElChingon]

Can you get addicted to EPO?

For some the introduction of foreign EPO causes natural EPO production to stop, so not a direct addiction but a reliance.

 

[Franklin]

Recreataniol drugs seem more of a problem with footballers, anyway Steroids and Amphetemines we are told are addictive, however it is EPO that was the game changer. And EPO users have done well for themselves out of cycling, even the ones who were caught, which is really my original point, perhaps it is the likes of Bassons that should be educating, not former EPO users.

Your point is that dopers get rich. It's simply not so simple. And yes, the evidence of riders leaving sport as junkie is clear. Epo is never the sole drug, it's almost always supplement with steroids and HGH.

Somehow you seem to think that every Epo user had a big contract... the sad part is that even the lowest domestiques had to use Epo and had to pay for the program from their bonusses (the thing that supplements their meagre income).

Clearly your view of the pay in cycling is influenced by the big stars. The domestiques get a pittance.

About recreational drugs. Simoni, Frigo, Ulrich, Millar and that's just from the top of my head.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yes it is. Ever wondered why Tom Boonen never won it? You might check the course

I'lll quote something from LL's San Sebastian win:



It's bloody amazing for "a rider that can't climb for the life of him."

And this is the profile for his TdF stage win:

Now the million dollar question here is... why did the organisation of the TdF allow LL to skip those two bumps to win this stage?

In 2011 it's even stranger:

How did this guy who can't climb for the life of him manages to win that one?




I did just that didn't I? You are a funny guy Ryo

those are called hills besides lls won on the flat, not the climb

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It was hyperbole. While LLS can still climb decently, he's far from his pre-Rabo level. And that includes the ITTs. He's become a stage-hunter, when at Caisse he'd be winning one-week races and being top 10 in the GTs.

exactly, but franklin reads like a girl

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Grischa Niermann has admitted he used EPO between 2000 and 2003, he'll give a more complete confession to the anti-doping authorities. He'll be suspended for 6 months from februari 15.

again gives good indication that cycling from 2000 till 2004 at least went downhil badly with epo(with 1999 and 2000 being quite clean), niemrann in 2000 was 3rd in white jersey and top 25 gc, within a few years he was peloton filler despite the epo

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Nope, but other stuff like HGH, Steroids and Amphetamine are certainly addictive. Also (though that were the really dark years), recreational drug use seems to have been a big factor in cycling in the 1995-2005 era.

In other sports recreative drug use is still an issue (or more so).

they are barely addictive. general rule is if you can kick the alcohol and tobacco no other substance will ever make you addict as they are much easier to get off from and harder to get addicted to.

 

[Franklin]

those are called hills besides lls won on the flat, not the climb

1517 metres high are hills now Ryo?

Just like D'Aspin, Peyresourde and other hills?

But the real question is... how can the worst climber ever only win these stages? He obviously only wins them on the flat, so how does he cross these mountains as absolute non-climber? How is it possible that he only wins mountain (sorry, "hilly") stages? Does he use an engine Ryo? Or do his competitors feel pity on him and softpedal everytime he's in the first group?

I mean, with his palmares, he clearly is a non-climber, I can't deny your opinion. The facts, well, they must be unimportant!

 

[Franklin]

exactly, but franklin reads like a girl

OWWWW ZINGGGGGG!

I feel really set straight here. Facts, who needs them? Colombians never dope, Japanese never dope, 1500 metre hills

Does it smart a bit that a girl is bowling every one of your posts supported with undeniable facts? Or are facts and reality also girly?

I await your first answer which is verifiable

 

[Franklin]

exactly, but franklin reads like a girl

OWWWW ZINGGGGGG!

I feel really set straight here. Facts, who needs them? Colombians never dope, Japanese never dope, 1500 metre hills

Does it smart a bit that a girl is bowling every one of your posts supported with undeniable facts? Or are facts and reality unimportant for a real man?

I await your first answer which is verifiable

 

[Franklin]

they are barely addictive. general rule is if you can kick the alcohol and tobacco no other substance will ever make you addict as they are much easier to get off from and harder to get addicted to.

Another truth laid out by Ryo!

Of course, I could quote some medical articles about steroid, amphetamine and HGH addiction (which I checked before my earlier post), but I guess that's simply to feminine

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Another truth laid out by Ryo!

Of course, I could quote some medical articles about steroid, amphetamine and HGH addiction (which I checked before my earlier post), but I guess that's simply to feminine

I could show just as many medical articles and research claiming they aren't addictive

and 1500 metres?

jaizkibel is 540 metres and lls didn't even decide the race there. he was lucky toi follow

and about japanese athletes doping. to eveyr rule there is an exception, but "begrijpend lezen" is something clealry don;'t understand. japan has almost no doping positives and those that were have been done so in usa for instance (mlb,ufc)

 

[Franklin]

japan has almost no doping positives and those that were have been done so in usa for instance (mlb,ufc)

I did show you the athletes caught the last few years. They were active in Japan. I also linked towards an article of a Japanese anti-doping doctor who decried the doping problems in Japan.

"begrijpend lezen"

Maybe you should just acknowledge that sometimes you don't know all the facts and admit you are wrong when the facts are against you?

Oh and though it's not "begrijpend lezen" perhaps you could try to read the graphs I posted. Perhaps you might see a 1500+ hill in that graph?

I know, I'm being feminine here. Bringing facts and evidence into a discussion is a girly thing. A real man like you doesn't need facts

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I did show you the athletes caught the last few years. They were active in Japan. I also linked towards an article of a Japanese anti-doping doctor who decried the doping problems in Japan.

"begrijpend lezen"

Maybe you should just acknowledge that sometimes you don't know all the facts and admit you are wrong when the facts are against you?

Oh and though it's not "begrijpend lezen" perhaps you could try to read the graphs I posted. Perhaps you might see a 1500+ hill in that graph?

I know, I'm being feminine here. Bringing facts and evidence into a discussion is a girly thing. A real man like you doesn't need facts

you keep screaming factors or evidence. when clealry you have none, you just kepe repeating yourself. and you named 4 japanese tahletes of who'm all only 2 I know were active outside of japan, the other 2 I couldn;t even find info on.

and those graphoics you posted I don't care about. we were talking about san sebastian that wa ssomehow indication of being a good climber

 

[Franklin]

you keep screaming factors or evidence. when clealry you have none, you just kepe repeating yourself. and you named 4 japanese tahletes of who'm all only 2 I know were active outside of japan, the other 2 I couldn;t even find info on.

1. Colombians dope. Names were shown.
2. Japan has a doping problem. Names and link were shown
3. LL's wins mountain stages. The stages and classics were pointed out.

I feel pretty good here considering I posted verifiable facts to bowl over your opinions.

Now the most amusing thing is you only expressed opinion and haven shown a single verifiable thing. But I guess that is to feminine

Bye Ryo, I'll stop posting and give you a flawless victory.

 

[snackattack]

1. Colombians dope.

Bye Ryo, I'll stop posting and give you a flawless victory.

Yes do that, cause you dont know a schit and Ryo knows! it's that simple, your kind is about to be gassed ... anyway :

money comes cheap for chicken the way ponzibank 's curtin is fizzled and pants are set alight.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Gesink on Niermann's EPO confession:


(Google translated)

Robert Gesink is shocked by the doping confession of his friend and former servant Grischa Niermann. The German did yesterday a book about his use of EPO in the period 2000-2003. '' That also Grischa doped sketches for me only a clearer picture of how the cycling there about ten years back stood for'' ', as Gesink reacts against the ANP.

Gesink was shocked by the confession of Niermann, who in the past had been servant of Boogerd, Leipheimer and Menchov, but is glad that times have changed. '' I realize more and more that I should be very grateful that I at that time not yet on the bike'' said Gesink.

'' Grischa is a good friend of mine, he called me himself about it. Maybe weird, but I've never personally Grischa asked. I knew no better for his sport lived, passionate servant. This confession draws him thus as a human. He could have also just keep his mouth shut,'' concludes Condor Varsseveld.

http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/21138/gesink-schrikt-van-dopingbekentenis-niermann.html

 

[sniper]

Yes do that, cause you dont know a schit and Ryo knows! it's that simple, your kind is about to be gassed ... anyway :

what tha ****?

 

[sniper]

That also Grischa doped sketches for me only a clearer picture of how the cycling there about ten years back stood for'' ', as Gesink reacts against the ANP.

Gesink was shocked by the confession of Niermann, who in the past had been servant of Boogerd, Leipheimer and Menchov, but is glad that times have changed. '' I realize more and more that I should be very grateful that I at that time not yet on the bike'' said Gesink.

@millar&vaughters: gesink got the memo.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Nope, but other stuff like HGH, Steroids and Amphetamine are certainly addictive. Also (though that were the really dark years), recreational drug use seems to have been a big factor in cycling in the 1995-2005 era.

In other sports recreative drug use is still an issue (or more so).

Also keep in mind, psychiatric drugs are used to enhance performance as well. It makes riders more aggressive and less nervous. What if the rider is a poor sleeper? There's a whole class of very powerful and somewhat dangerous drugs widely used for sleep assistance. Not really addiction, but a total disruption in whatever chemicals your body produces on its own.

For example, if I were running the Schleck's program, they'd be on anti-anxiety meds of some kind so they'd get down a hill faster than my Mom. In a fantasy world, I'd be on anti-anxiety drugs to keep up with Nibali down a hill.

Physical addiction is different than going off a steroids/EPO cycle. Having spent some time in bodybuilding forums, it seems like a slippery slope where the drug combinations get progressively more complicated to counter-act the side effects of the PED.

Well played Gesink. There's a guy smart enough to either know he needs help releasing a statement or spent some time on it.

 

[snackattack]

what tha ****?

yeah, it's rare snipe a raft to help, trying to save an ailing member of the pod,
adding to this creature's reputation for being lovable and friendly.

 

[sniper]

yeah, it's rare snipe a raft to help, trying to save an ailing member of the pod,
adding to this creature's reputation for being lovable and friendly.

it could definitely be due to my faulty comprehension skills, but i don't have the slightest idea what you're on about. well, let's stick to the MR vs. Rabo case then.

 

[snackattack]

,but i don't have the slightest idea what you're on about.

That's by reason of you're no insider to Colombian cycling and Ryo is 100%!
as that friggin Franklin smearing the pope isn't, so jumped in the hot tub to set
thé record straight aforetime tongue-in-cheek re-enactment.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That's by reason of you're no insider to Colombian cycling and Ryo is 100%!
as that friggin Franklin smearing the pope isn't, so jumped in the hot tub to set
thé record straight aforetime tongue-in-cheek re-enactment.

Again, and now from someone else: what stuff are u on?

Or you might be just being sarcastic. But thinking Ryo is an expert on Columbian cycling is just as funny as saying D. Brailsford is pro - clean - cycling. Or maybe they are both good at googling on things they haven't seen before?

 

[snackattack]

Again, and now from someone else: what stuff are u on? Or you might be just being sarcastic.

But thinking Ryo is an expert on Columbian cycling

- along with, beyond, as well as, more than ...

Or maybe they are both good at googling on things they haven't seen before?

 

[hrotha]

What the hell has Daotec done to this thread.