The revenge of Rasmussen ...

[hrotha]

When Fuentes served Thomas Dekker? 2006 and 2007? It means Ufe never stopped his doping practice...

Of course he never stopped. He was involved in Galgo in 2010.

 

[airstream]

Of course he never stopped. He was involved in Galgo in 2010.

It is very strange that your country can not close him to work for national sport secretly under the tutelage of secret services. Who needs this freak show if everyone gets he continues to spread doping?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

thay's because all of spanish succes have been done by doping, football, tennis (nadal). they don't want that to be made public

 

[Franklin]

does anybody know what cards Fuentes is going to play in court in the next weeks? Is he going to implicate people such as Saiz or will he choose for the option to not name any names?

If he has any hope to return to sport (and I don't see why not) he will just showboat and say nothing concrete. And then he will be hired by football/athletics/tennis or whatever sport again.

But that's my guess

 

[snackattack]

thay's because all of spanish succes have been done by doping, football, tennis (nadal). they don't want that to be made public

Your kind them Dutchies are the worst kind of cancer out there of all by lynching the innocent and tamper, counterfeit, falsify and forge a conspiracy with labs.
It wont take that long anymore until that royal speedskate federation will be dismantled cooking the books and the anointed money ritual EXPOSED!!!! .

 

[Franklin]

Your kind them Dutchies are the worst kind of cancer out there of all by lynching the innocent and tamper, counterfeit, falsify and forge a conspiracy with labs.
It wont take that long anymore until that royal speedskate federation will be dismantled cooking the books and the anointed money ritual EXPOSED!!!! .

Now that's a nicely structured well-funded post! We need more of these!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Your kind them Dutchies are the worst kind of cancer out there of all by lynching the innocent and tamper, counterfeit, falsify and forge a conspiracy with labs.
It wont take that long anymore until that royal speedskate federation will be dismantled cooking the books and the anointed money ritual EXPOSED!!!! .

the forum for the mentaly unstable and schizofrenics I guess by reading this

 

[theyoungest]

the forum for the mentaly unstable and schizofrenics I guess by reading this

Is he the father of that teenage doper in speedskating?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Is he the father of that teenage doper in speedskating?

daotec was for sure. snackattack seems similar to me, but less friendly. the doped skater himself was also on many fora, like prikbord, with his dad(herrera)

 

[classicomano]

The new source cites T. Dekker was indeed "Classicomano Luigi" from the Fuentes files and had blood drawn 5 times and did transfusions before the Tirreno and Basque in 2006. When the whole thing blew up he got introduced to Matschiner

 

[Lanark]

Since this seems to have become the official Rabo-thread, NRC had a new story today. They claim that LL Sanchez goes under the codename Huerta in Operacion Puerto. In 2006 he had donated blood 3 times and had it injected twice by Fuentes.

A sport director from Team Blanco says that extending Sanches' contract last year was a huge mistake, and that Luis Leon 'is a problem'. An internal investigation has been started against him, but because according to the Spanish there is no investigation against Sanchez, and he hasn't been banned, so it's very hard to fire him.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Since this seems to have become the official Rabo-thread, NRC had a new story today. They claim that LL Sanchez goes under the codename Huerta in Operacion Puerto. In 2006 he had donated blood 3 times and had it injected twice by Fuentes.

A sport director from Team Blanco says that extending Sanches' contract last year was a huge mistake, and that Luis Leon 'is a problem'. An internal investigation has been started against him, but because according to the Spanish there is no investigation against Sanchez, and he hasn't been banned, so it's very hard to fire him.

The team should just sideline the clown. Blanco's other riders seems capable of delivering results anyway.

 

[hrotha]

Hmm, "Huerta" makes sense, since it's associated with LLS's native province of Murcia (the city of Murcia itself is located in the Huerta de Murcia region).

"Clasicómano Luigi" is puzzling. Since when was Dekker seen mainly as a classics rider? There's another Cecchini client who fits the codename much better.

 

[roundabout]

I don't like lls, but I am also not sure about the whole business of hiring a rider who had been mentioned in connection with doping before, extending his contract til 2015 and then being up in arms when new information may come out,

yes, the team future and image is important right now, but still I don't like it.

 

[sniper]

according to the NRC article, LLS has been interrogated by his team and has denied any involvment, but 'sources' in Spain confirm that LLS went by the codename Huerta.

I like how there appear to be 'sources' in Spain with Puerto-related intel and willingness to speak to the press.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I don't like lls, but I am also not sure about the whole business of hiring a rider who had been mentioned in connection with doping before, extending his contract til 2015 and then being up in arms when new information may come out,

yes, the team future and image is important right now, but still I don't like it.

of course not, poor management, but as they say you can't change the past. I would very much support a hardliner approach at Blanco moving forward.

 

[Lanark]

I don't like lls, but I am also not sure about the whole business of hiring a rider who had been mentioned in connection with doping before, extending his contract til 2015 and then being up in arms when new information may come out,

yes, the team future and image is important right now, but still I don't like it.

It could very well be that the people who are up in arms didn't make the decision to extend his contract. When Mark Renshaw came to Rabobank that decision was made by the management of the team (Knebel), none of the sports directors of the team knew he was comming, or were even asked if they wanted him to come to the team. I wouldn't be surprised if the extension of his contract was done by people who aren't active in the team any more (Knebel, Breukink, Van Houwelingen).

 

[airstream]

according to the NRC article, LLS has been interrogated by his team and has denied any involvment, but 'sources' in Spain confirm that LLS went by the codename Huerta.

I like how there appear to be 'sources' in Spain with Puerto-related intel and willingness to speak to the press.

Wow, but who is covering up the story during so many years? It is astonishing. Anyways 'Huerta' allows to hope oneday we will know all Puerto guys' names and they will be punished regardless of their palmares.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

explains how lls has faded into a rider that can't climb for the life of him.

 

[theyoungest]

It could very well be that the people who are up in arms didn't make the decision to extend his contract. When Mark Renshaw came to Rabobank that decision was made by the management of the team (Knebel), none of the sports directors of the team knew he was comming, or were even asked if they wanted him to come to the team. I wouldn't be surprised if the extension of his contract was done by people who aren't active in the team any more (Knebel, Breukink, Van Houwelingen).

Breukink was a big Luisle fan, and of course in the context of last season it's not strange they gave him a contract extension. But I think the ultimate responsibility, and the signature on the contract, lies with Knebel.

According to NRC there was also a rider meeting last week where Luisle's colleagues grilled him on the subject.

 

[staubsauger]

Breukink was a big Luisle fan, and of course in the context of last season it's not strange they gave him a contract extension. But I think the ultimate responsibility, and the signature on the contract, lies with Knebel.

According to NRC there was also a rider meeting last week where Luisle's colleagues grilled him on the subject.

When I saw how Kruijswijk devoted himself for LL during last year's Tour escape I thought LL has a very good realtionship with his teammates

 

[theyoungest]

When I saw how Kruijswijk devoted himself for LL during last year's Tour escape I thought LL has a very good realtionship with his teammates

He does, they do like him, but now they fear for their jobs.

Case in point: Slagter wins WT race, but the Dutch media don't care. It's the Luis Leon story they're carrying.

 

[Franklin]

explains how lls has faded into a rider that can't climb for the life of him.

Indeed, that's why he finishes dead last in the San Sebastian Classic and is absolutely a non-factor in mid-mountain stages.

Really Ryo, try at least to match your posts with the evidence, okay?

Or are you going for the fantastic explanation that only in 2010 he was involved with Puerto (which was 2006, but let's not try to make it to hard to spin it).

 

[theyoungest]

Indeed, that's why he finishes dead last in the San Sebastian Classic and is absolutely a non-factor in mid-mountain stages.

Really Ryo, try at least to match your posts with the evidence, okay?

Or are you going for the fantastic explanation that only in 2010 he was involved with Puerto (which was 2006, but let's not try to make it to hard to spin it).

The guy did a top-10 in the Tour, and the Vuelta, plus a win and a podium in Paris-Nice. Granted, there was a bit of luck involved in all of those results, but he definitely was a better climber back then.

NRC suggests he didn't stop doping after Puerto.

 

[El Pistolero]

He does, they do like him, but now they fear for their jobs.

Case in point: Slagter wins WT race, but the Dutch media don't care. It's the Luis Leon story they're carrying.

Yeah, because that WT race is the TDU. Watch the media as he wins AGR some day.