The Roche Family and Irish Cycling

[gooner]

Roche was on RTE radio today.

He still "wants to clear the air" with Kimmage. Paul did say a couple of weeks ago he turned down the chance to meet him back in around 2000 when Roche wanted to meet up with him. I can't see Paul ever accepting it either when you see Roche still saying rubbish like this:

“I’ve said ‘Paul, I didn’t know it was going on, you’re riding in the back of the peloton, you can see what’s going on ahead of you, I’m riding in the front with no wing mirrors I don’t know what’s going on in the middle’.

When you see things like that being said, you just know he's not sincere in any of this and it's likely he is only playing lip service to it all.

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...-we-made-him-a-no-go-zone-but-ive-apologised/

 

[mikehammer67]

Roche was on RTE radio today.

He still "wants to clear the air" with Kimmage. Paul did say a couple of weeks ago he turned down the chance to meet him back in around 2000 when Roche wanted to meet up with him. I can't see Paul ever accepting it either when you see Roche still saying rubbish like this:



When you see things like that being said, you just know he's not sincere in any of this and it's likely he is only playing lip service to it all.

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...-we-made-him-a-no-go-zone-but-ive-apologised/

some garbage
he's riding clean at the front like and he doesn't know what the dopers behind are doing

what show was it ? edit:the business with g lee just seen that

 

[Benotti69]

Roche was on RTE radio today.

He still "wants to clear the air" with Kimmage. Paul did say a couple of weeks ago he turned down the chance to meet him back in around 2000 when Roche wanted to meet up with him. I can't see Paul ever accepting it either when you see Roche still saying rubbish like this:

When you see things like that being said, you just know he's not sincere in any of this and it's likely he is only playing lip service to it all.

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...-we-made-him-a-no-go-zone-but-ive-apologised/

He forgets an Italian judge named him as a client of Conconi.

Roche is a sad former doper.

 

[gooner]

He forgets an Italian judge named him as a client of Conconi.

Roche is a sad former doper.

And it's all the more galling that he's still held up on a pedestal over here and the tripe that he said today still washes with people.

Pathetic.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

So, so close....

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Don't you mean 'sew sew close' ?

 

[Benotti69]

And it's all the more galling that he's still held up on a pedestal over here and the tripe that he said today still washes with people.

Pathetic.

I couldn't listen to the guy. But people want heroes and especially sporting heroes and they dont care what gets them there as long as the illusion is not shattered they'll buy it everytime. Ireland has had few internationally successful sporting champs, they'll take all they can get. We'll never learn.

 

[mikehammer67]

I couldn't listen to the guy. But people want heroes and especially sporting heroes and they dont care what gets them there as long as the illusion is not shattered they'll buy it everytime. Ireland has had few internationally successful sporting champs, they'll take all they can get. We'll never learn.

we had a couple of real champs that got cheated out of golds by dopers

o'sullivan and tracey

and prob more

peds and sport dang

 

[Benotti69]

we had a couple of real champs that got cheated out of golds by dopers

o'sullivan and tracey

and prob more

peds and sport dang

And our reaction was to nominate a guy like McQuaid which is a kick in the face to the likes of O'Sullivan and Tracey.

Rather our athletes competed clean then cheated to win.

 

[Basecase]

Roche is a muppet

Deluded

Couldn't even be bothered to tune into the show yesterday to hear the pattering of the former milkman

 

[mikehammer67]

what was he on in '87?

in fairness the epo sauce wasn't available then was it?

 

[Benotti69]

what was he on in '87?

in fairness the epo sauce wasn't available then was it?

Not sure what he used, but it sure worked.

It was on August 14, 1980 that Professor Conconi submitted a proposal to the Italian National Olympic Committee (CONI) proposing that selected Italian athletes be assisted by staff of the University to improve their performance. Conconi proposed that he help athletes in the sports of cycling, canoeing, rowing, long distance skiing, speed skating, swimming and wrestling. The Olympic committee (CONI) accepted the offer. According to Sandro Donati, a coach of the middle distance running team from 1981 onwards, this method of preparation was blood doping.

Conconi preparing athletes from 1980 so had it down to a tee by '87.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Not sure what he used, but it sure worked.



Conconi preparing athletes from 1980 so had it down to a tee by '87.

Yes, he did. Moser reluctantly admits to some 'preparations during training' for the hour record that would today be considered a violation of the rules.....ya think, Francesco???

 

[DirtyWorks]

what was he on in '87?

in fairness the epo sauce wasn't available then was it?

I would categorize it as available, but not in use at the elite levels. Meanwhile, Conconi was busy doping. http://www.ergogenics.org/donati.html

An article in a valuable series on doping over at podiumcafe.com covers later Conconi. http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/2/16...on-the-causes-of-doping-francesco-conconi-and

Conconi was as dirty as can be. A number of doping doctors came out of Conconi's school/lab. Ferrari to name one.

 

[Benotti69]

Like father like son.

Nico Roche suddenly found GT podium potential and climbing legs to boot.

I suppose those 'ol Bjarne Riis gains are working at La Vuelta where the commissaires are all having a siesta!

 

[elduggo]

Like father like son.

Nico Roche suddenly found GT podium potential and climbing legs to boot.

I suppose those 'ol Bjarne Riis gains are working at La Vuelta where the commissaires are all having a siesta!

just curious, who did he beat that he shouldn't have?

 

[roundabout]

6th is better than the usual TT. The course suited him, but I expected 10-15 from him.

 

[Benotti69]

just curious, who did he beat that he shouldn't have?

When's the last time Roche Jnr showed this level of ability?

He is outclimbing some serious talent, Uran and Pozzovivo to name 2, and he is matching that of those whose names are not associated with clean cycling, Katusha, Valv, Radioshack.

 

[Ferminal]

6th is better than the usual TT. The course suited him, but I expected 10-15 from him.

20th last year with a smaller climb when he was in poorer form.

His TTing ability circa 2010 was comical, he had room to improve and has done so over the past two years.

Holding his own in an ITT against other GC riders he has been climbing alongside doesn't say much (well Horner is terrible and so is Basso since 2006). Valverde is a pretty good benchmark for the median TT ability of top GC riders.

 

[elduggo]

When's the last time Roche Jnr showed this level of ability?

He is outclimbing some serious talent, Uran and Pozzovivo to name 2, and he is matching that of those whose names are not associated with clean cycling, Katusha, Valv, Radioshack.

I meant today. Pozzovivo beat him. I would suggest, given Valv's performance in the TdeF TT between Embrun->Chorges that today was an off day for him.

Coming 6th is one thing. Coming 6th and being almost 2 mins down on the lead (over a min down on Tony Martin) is another thing.

 

[murali]

I meant today. Pozzovivo beat him. I would suggest, given Valv's performance in the TdeF TT between Embrun->Chorges that today was an off day for him.

Coming 6th is one thing. Coming 6th and being almost 2 mins down on the lead (over a min down on Tony Martin) is another thing.

pozzo, whose best result in TT is 8th, is clean??

Valverde's time plus 20-30sec is the benchmark. he must have lost some 20-30 sec due to that vey slow tire change happening

 

[elduggo]

pozzo, whose best result in TT is 8th, is clean??

he beat Roche.

 

[roundabout]

20th last year with a smaller climb when he was in poorer form.

His TTing ability circa 2010 was comical, he had room to improve and has done so over the past two years.

Holding his own in an ITT against other GC riders he has been climbing alongside doesn't say much (well Horner is terrible and so is Basso since 2006). Valverde is a pretty good benchmark for the median TT ability of top GC riders.

Yeah, I suppose it's not that unreasonable. 40ish seconds turnaround from last year with the puncture.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

what was he on in '87?

in fairness the epo sauce wasn't available then was it?

Very likely transfusions, testosterone, Cortisone and stimulants (most important in the world championship).

Of course EPO is important in preparation but transfusions were the main weapons of Riis in 1996 and Armstrong 2000-2005 so can't be played down.

I stumbled on this the other day:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6v0qlliFq8U&feature=c4-feed-c

Mindblowingly obnoxious dork in the glasses midway through and woman who stands up at the end.

 

[Benotti69]

I meant today. Pozzovivo beat him. I would suggest, given Valv's performance in the TdeF TT between Embrun->Chorges that today was an off day for him.

Coming 6th is one thing. Coming 6th and being almost 2 mins down on the lead (over a min down on Tony Martin) is another thing.

Roche never had this level in him with a French team, now he has found it with Riis? Only one thing can do that, doping.

 

[elduggo]

Roche never had this level in him with a French team, now he has found it with Riis? Only one thing can do that, doping.

I have my doubts too but you're not making a compelling argument here. Ag2r were all over the place in terms of their training, providing team support for their protected riders, etc. Roche has gone on record as saying he didn't even have a TT bike to train with while with them.

So no, not only one thing can do that. I'll reserve my judgement until I see how he goes on Pena Carbaga, Angliru, etc.

Roche hasn't ridden away from anyone. At best hes hanging in there with the GC boys. I believe, once the race is over, hindsight will show that.