The Roche Family and Irish Cycling

[elduggo]

Em, and not far behind Tony Martin and Cancellara.

em, pretty far behind.

 

[elduggo]

Wasn't the TdF TT flatter than the Vuelta's?

2nd TdeF TT had 2 cat 3 climbs. Vuelta, only one.

 

[elduggo]

Em, and not far behind Tony Martin and Cancellara. Roche has consistently finished in 20th odd or 30th odd place in time trials and just out of the blue he produces this performance above and far ahead of any performance he has ever produced before in an individual time trial. And who is the manager of Saxo Bank-Tinkoff; yes Bjarne Riis. An individual whom you could not trust as for as you could throw. Dodgier than dodgy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarne_Riis

nice try though, but you'll need to better if you wanna get some **** to stick

 

[Benotti69]

nice try though, but you'll need to better if you wanna get some **** to stick

Roche surrounds himself with ex dopers and those who enable doping and for you nothing sticks. I suppose you believed Lance when he said never tested positive

 

[pmcg76]

Roche surrounds himself with ex dopers and those who enable doping and for you nothing sticks. I suppose you believed Lance when he said never tested positive

Nothing sticks because Christophe Bassons was surrounded by dopers and people who enabled doping, ditto David Moncoutie. We have examples of people who didn't dope at doping teams. Gaumont also claimed that Janek Tombak didn't dope.

Hell even Blackcat says he knows of two riders at Saunier Duval who didn't dope and those two were not Millar or Pinotti. From talking to others, I am aware of another rider at Saunier Duval who was not doping. Don't know if it's one of the same guys as Blackcat but I doubt it. As has been pointed out numerous times, there are no teams that people can join to satisfy that requirement.

How is that in any shape or form similar to Lance saying he never failed a test when there is evidence he failed a test.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nothing sticks because Christophe Bassons was surrounded by dopers and people who enabled doping, ditto David Moncoutie. We have examples of people who didn't dope at doping teams. Gaumont also claimed that Janek Tombak didn't dope.

Hell even Blackcat says he knows of two riders at Saunier Duval who didn't dope and those two were not Millar or Pinotti. From talking to others, I am aware of another rider at Saunier Duval who was not doping. Don't know if it's one of the same guys as Blackcat but I doubt it. As has been pointed out numerous times, there are no teams that people can join to satisfy that requirement.

How is that in any shape or form similar to Lance saying he never failed a test when there is evidence he failed a test.

But...but... Roche surrounds himself with ex-dopers - I am sure its easy to get adopted and a name change. You can probably do it online.

He could also join one of the 100% clean teams that has never had a hint of doping. Like that team....am the name escapes me am - give me a minute. Hey Benotti - help me out whats that team called again?

 

[batchuba]

I don't believe for a second that any competitive rider is "clean", but I will say one thing for Roche: He has an endearing habit of actually breathing while cycling his bike.

Maybe he just needs to up his dosage.

 

[Cycle Chic]

I don't believe for a second that any competitive rider is "clean", but I will say one thing for Roche: He has an endearing habit of actually breathing while cycling his bike.

Maybe he just needs to up his dosage.

no, no, no....Nico is a very good actor and is very aware that the kidology works.

Havent you noticed when the tv camera gets on a rider they start puffing out their cheeks to make it look like riding is an effort. Kiryienka is an Oscar performer.

 

[Inquitus]

Fan photo, not TV, defo puffing his cheeks out to show the hurt

Meanwhile our victor

 

[Cycle Chic]

presume you are the fan...from Dublin

 

[Dr. Maserati]

no, no, no....Nico is a very good actor and is very aware that the kidology works.

Havent you noticed when the tv camera gets on a rider they start puffing out their cheeks to make it look like riding is an effort. Kiryienka is an Oscar performer.

Ya - amazing acting.
Particularly the way he creates gaps as well with the front riders to lose time and slip down GC. Its amazing how he creates the illusion that "I cant hang on any longer".

 

[Benotti69]

But...but... Roche surrounds himself with ex-dopers - I am sure its easy to get adopted and a name change. You can probably do it online.

He could also join one of the 100% clean teams that has never had a hint of doping. Like that team....am the name escapes me am - give me a minute. Hey Benotti - help me out whats that team called again?

lots of things escape you

 

[sniper]

no, no, no....Nico is a very good actor and is very aware that the kidology works.

Havent you noticed when the tv camera gets on a rider they start puffing out their cheeks to make it look like riding is an effort. Kiryienka is an Oscar performer.

regardless of whether or not you are right in this particular case, i find it quite imaginable that some riders would feign heavy breathing as soon as the camera's arrive.
these guys know darn well that the lack of heavy breathing has been an indicator for doping-critics.

 

[Benotti69]

Nothing sticks because Christophe Bassons was surrounded by dopers and people who enabled doping, ditto David Moncoutie. We have examples of people who didn't dope at doping teams. Gaumont also claimed that Janek Tombak didn't dope.

Hell even Blackcat says he knows of two riders at Saunier Duval who didn't dope and those two were not Millar or Pinotti. From talking to others, I am aware of another rider at Saunier Duval who was not doping. Don't know if it's one of the same guys as Blackcat but I doubt it. As has been pointed out numerous times, there are no teams that people can join to satisfy that requirement.

How is that in any shape or form similar to Lance saying he never failed a test when there is evidence he failed a test. ....

So I cannot compare Nico to Lance but you can compare him to Bassons?

Roche is in with the McQuaids. I doubt a positive test would ever get out of Aigle.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

lots of things escape you

Actually thats fair enough lots of things escape me, like any and all your posts and general arguements.

So, can you help me out - simple question. which team in your opinion should Nico have joined to escape your suspicions?

 

[pmcg76]

So I cannot compare Nico to Lance but you can compare him to Bassons?

Roche is in with the McQuaids. I doubt a positive test would ever get out of Aigle.

How am I comparing him to Bassons?? You made the doping association point as if it were absolute proof. I just pointed out that is not the case using Basson's as an example. I don't think Roche is anything like Bassons though I would have liked to see how Bassons' performed in the current environment.

 

[Benotti69]

How am I comparing him to Bassons?? You made the doping association point as if it were absolute proof. I just pointed out that is not the case using Basson's as an example. I don't think Roche is anything like Bassons though I would have liked to see how Bassons' performed in the current environment.

Absolute proof, nope, never said that.

It Roche wrote an article similar to what Basson's wrote in 1999 then I would start to change my 'humble' opinion on Nico, but until then I see someone surrounded by doping and not criticising it.

 

[Benotti69]

Actually thats fair enough lots of things escape me, like any and all your posts and general arguements.

So, can you help me out - simple question. which team in your opinion should Nico have joined to escape your suspicions?

You already know the answer to that.

 

[Netserk]

You already know the answer to that.

An amateur team?

 

[pmcg76]

Absolute proof, nope, never said that.

It Roche wrote an article similar to what Basson's wrote in 1999 then I would start to change my 'humble' opinion on Nico, but until then I see someone surrounded by doping and not criticising it.

Moncoutie!!! Never heard him speak out about doping. If someone doesn't talk about doping doesn't mean they are doping themselves. You really talk such nonsense.

The current doping situation is clearly miles away from the late 90s. When Basson's was at Festina, there was a fund that the riders paid into for dope and it seemed to be openly discussed in the team and in some cases, the doping performed in front of each other, e.g Postal. Do these things still happen as it seem's to have become much more secretive about who is doing what nowadays. Doubt there are too many team wide program's like Festina anymore.

Basson's said jack all about doping until he was propelled into the spotlight by Willy Voet. Maybe if Festina had never happened, Mr Basson's might have retired without saying a word.

Anyhow whenever anyone talks about doping, you don't believe them anyway so what does it matter. JV talks about doping, he is a liar!!!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You already know the answer to that.

I am assuming it was a strawman, that you believe no such team exists - but I would rather you give your answer then deflect.

So which team does he go to avoid suspicion, in your opinion?
Or is it a strawman?

 

[Benotti69]

I am assuming it was a strawman, that you believe no such team exists - but I would rather you give your answer then deflect.

So which team does he go to avoid suspicion, in your opinion?
Or is it a strawman?

I do not believe, as stated many times, that there are any clean teams in pro cycling.

That does not mean 100% riders are doping, 95% are but the pointy end is a pharmacists wet dream, but that is just my opinion, which you like to chase me around the clinic and pedanticise. Ever tried online dating Doc? surely there must a be she or he pedantists out there for you too.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I do not believe, as stated many times, that there are any clean teams in pro cycling.

That does not mean 100% riders are doping, 95% are but the pointy end is a pharmacists wet dream, but that is just my opinion, which you like to chase me around the clinic and pedanticise. Ever tried online dating Doc? surely there must a be she or he pedantists out there for you too.

So, it was a strawman - then a deflection and now you have added in personal insults. Good job.
Thanks.

 

[Benotti69]

Moncoutie!!! Never heard him speak out about doping. If someone doesn't talk about doping doesn't mean they are doping themselves. You really talk such nonsense.

The current doping situation is clearly miles away from the late 90s. When Basson's was at Festina, there was a fund that the riders paid into for dope and it seemed to be openly discussed in the team and in some cases, the doping performed in front of each other, e.g Postal. Do these things still happen as it seem's to have become much more secretive about who is doing what nowadays. Doubt there are too many team wide program's like Festina anymore.

Basson's said jack all about doping until he was propelled into the spotlight by Willy Voet. Maybe if Festina had never happened, Mr Basson's might have retired without saying a word.

Anyhow whenever anyone talks about doping, you don't believe them anyway so what does it matter. JV talks about doping, he is a liar!!!

Dont know how Voet managed to propel Bassons into the spotlight. Bassons didn't have to write a column and could've done a Nico Roche omerta style column as well.

The current situation in the peloton is really unknown and no one is comparing it to the 90s at the moment but Sky have upped the game so it may get back there sooner than even JV thinks.

When a current DS opens his mouth about the sport being cleanER the i think liar.

For me to dope is to cheat and it is a line. when one crosses that line it is cheating. Not cheating more or cheating less. It is cheating. So whether it is a full blood bag or half a blood bag it is cheating.

 

[Benotti69]

So, it was a strawman - then a deflection and now you have added in personal insults. Good job.
Thanks.

Doc, lighten up.

My opinions are my opnions and i am not claiming to any thing other. I constantly have asked for posters to point to where the sport cleanED up. I cant see it. Just because a vested interest says it has and one who cheated in his own career, i'll take that with a pinch of salt thanks. You can take it as gospel if you so choose.

Their are a few good guys in the sport, a few, and i dont believe JV is one of them nor do i have proof he is a doping DS, no more than i have proof Froome doped. But i will voice my opinion no matter the barrage of pedantism from you or anyone else.

keep on pedanting.