The Rohan Dennis thread

[Eeslliw]

Ineos probably did get him for unders as he was so desperate to leave Bahrain-Merida due to his issues with their bikes and gear. He was also at the time viewed as fragile and potentially unreliable.

Has returned to previous level pretty much and also boosted value with high level superdom climbing.

Can see why UAE would consider it worth throwing cash at him to strengthen the support set up for Pogacar.

Yep, put Dennis to UAE and you can just hand trophies to Pogacar in advance. They are only missing engine like Rohan, someone who can do it in all terrain for long period.

I am wondering how much is he worth? It must be above 1M I would imagine. I mean how many other riders can ride on flats for hours, and at the same time drop all mountain goats but two on Stelvio?

 

[IndianCyclist]

'I noticed when I was with Ineos that they were copying Jumbo with a lot of stuff' says Australian
How does he know that Ineos was copying JV before going to JV? It could also be reverse or independently similar as well. it mostly looks like sour grapes as he did not do a GT in 2021 or get a new better contract with Ineos

 

[laarsland]

A) Telling the fans, media and sponsors what they want to hear
B) Dennis in all likelihood has a mindset which is great for excelling in his niche, but seems to have maxed out whatever budget he was dealt for cognitive capacity in that single department. He’s thick

 

[wheresmybrakes]

I'll give it 12 months before he walks out of this team unhappy with something.

 

[Escarabajo]

'I noticed when I was with Ineos that they were copying Jumbo with a lot of stuff' says Australian
How does he know that Ineos was copying JV before going to JV? It could also be reverse or independently similar as well. it mostly looks like sour grapes as he did not do a GT in 2021 or get a new better contract with Ineos

The fact that he did not do the Tour in 2021 and he was in the training camp is mind boggling. There has to be something with this guy. It cannot be all related with performance.

 

[yaco]

It's been posted a few times that Dennis has perennial issues with his mental health - Its a matter of careful management to get the most of his abilities - And sometimes good management is not always a success.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Still, likely they did copy JV a bit?

 

[Bonimenier]

Still, likely they did copy JV a bit?

All I know is that in the Tour of 2020 JV tried to copy Sky and Ineos from the years before, but did it worse.

 

[CyclistAbi]

All I know is that in the Tour of 2020 JV tried to copy Sky and Ineos from the years before, but did it worse.

There are two things to be said about that.

First one being JV did copy the "train" approach. Saying they did it worse then Ineos is in my opinion not the right conclusion. The whole season was an extremely dominant display of this approach. It turned out that using this approach is not enough to win a race. Hence they dropped this approach.

Second one being most people are way to negative. In regards to what Dennis said. What he actually did is he gave credit where the credit's due. That is JV is currently the team in the peloton others try to copy the most.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Escarabajo]

You lost me when your wrote "That is JV is currently the team in the peloton others try to copy the most. " When did that happen? I don't think anybody is trying to copy them. And I agree when JV tried to copy Ineos/Sky formula during the Tour 2020 only to backfired at the end. And that formula has been there since the nineties. If someone invented that it was probably US Postal. Nothing to be proud of to be honest.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You lost me when your wrote "That is JV is currently the team in the peloton others try to copy the most. " When did that happen?

Dennis would likely know best. When it comes to the actual dates.

I don't think anybody is trying to copy them.

Likely due to the influence of Pogačar. That is Pogačar currently masks the whole idea about having a good team. On how that is or is not all that important. Just look beyond that and tell me in which team would you currently like to be in if you had a choice. And you would be their main GT GC option.

And I agree when JV tried to copy Ineos/Sky formula during the Tour 2020 only to backfired at the end. And that formula has been there since the nineties. If someone invented that it was probably US Postal. Nothing to be proud of to be honest.

Year 2020 was not only about the Tour. The "train" approach was demonstrated on more races than one. On Tour it didn't really backfire. It did what it supposed to do. Crushed Ineos (among others). Pogačar was never really their main target. For Pogačar you need a different approach.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

I think Dennis is honest saying that but I feel he refers more to TT preparation and sorts of marginal gains than tactics, also maybe in preparation and high altitude training in which Jumbo crearly beat Ineos after lockdown, also UAE prepared Pogi better than Ineos did with their leaders, peharps the signing of Te Plus was in that regardfor example of find out tye Jumbo methods.
In 2021 was maybe more of an equal battle but is not bad to remenber that Vingegaard as B option beat Carapaz in the Tour with both team having bad luck but Jumbo more wiht the loss of primoz.

In short, my feeling is that Ineos no longer has the upper hand in terms of perfomance preparation and knowledge compared to some teams among which Jumbo is, perhaps it is even the other way around, but their enormous economic superiority and therefore greater depth in their squad makes them even things out in terms of overall results for the season.

 

[Bonimenier]

There are two things to be said about that.

First one being JV did copy the "train" approach. Saying they did it worse then Ineos is in my opinion not the right conclusion. The whole season was an extremely dominant display of this approach. It turned out that using this approach is not enough to win a race. Hence they dropped this approach.

Second one being most people are way to negative. In regards to what Dennis said. What he actually did is he gave credit where the credit's due. That is JV is currently the team in the peloton others try to copy the most.

Nothing wrong with that.

Too bad both those things aren't true. You seem to think that you have to agree with everything and anything JV does just because you're a fan of Roglic. Being a bit more critical wouldn't hurt you or them.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Perhaps Dennis is comparing last year, like most teams Ineos will have now moved on hiring new guys like Hammond and Bigham.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Too bad both those things aren't true. You seem to think that you have to agree with everything and anything JV does just because you're a fan of Roglic. Being a bit more critical wouldn't hurt you or them.

If you believe that, why don't you instead describe in more detail, on why they are not true.

 

[yaco]

Can win the Australian Elite RR if he actually finishes the course.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If he puts his mind to it he can pretty much achieve whatever he wants to achieve.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for the copy remark in general. That is just what you do. You copy your competition in areas you feel it will gain you advantage. And usually you copy the competition that is ahead of you. Hence i don't feel the remark should be perceived all that negatively.

 

[Cookster15]

Dennis would likely know best. When it comes to the actual dates.
Year 2020 was not only about the Tour. The "train" approach was demonstrated on more races than one. On Tour it didn't really backfire. It did what it supposed to do. Crushed Ineos (among others). Pogačar was never really their main target. For Pogačar you need a different approach.

Yet Ineos (Sky) was doing the crushing in 2018. The team that crushed the 2018 TdF is the greatest demonstration of the train since USPS. The best climbers in the world were powerless when even the likes of Michal Kwiatkowski could set an interminable pace on HC climbs to set the platform for their GC leaders to finish the job. Riders like Porte and Wout Poels were doing it before then.

It very simply comes back to who has the strongest riders. IMHO JV have never looked stronger than when WvA was pulling the train and seeing the defending champ dropped on a MTF. But that was still below what Skyneos have demonstrated. And I say this as a fan of neither team.

 

[Cookster15]

If he puts his mind to it he can pretty much achieve whatever he wants to achieve.

Yeh Dennis’s mind is his biggest challenge. But this is the same for all riders. Mental aspect of the sports is oft underestimated.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Cookster15

We could further discuss about top "train" performances in history. Just note that the debate was never about that. At least not from my side.

 

[Cookster15]

@Cookster15

We could further discuss about top "train" performances in history. Just note that the debate was never about that. At least not from my side.

Yes I know this is about Dennis and JV. But I felt it was worthwhile clarifying for perspective.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Chris Froome: Other teams have caught up with Ineos Grenadiers

Four-time Tour de France winner says there's 'momentum and positive energy' at Israel-Premier Tech

www.cyclingnews.com

Froome basically saying what Dennis said. More mildly.

 

[Lequack]

He's in great form it seems. Last of the Jumbo Visma guys to stay with Roglic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So far contributing more than one could really ask for. First one to impose the presence of the team on flat sections and the last one to get dropped in mountains. Tiny bit before Rogla resulting to stomp.

Chapeau!